Maggie and Rich delve into a compelling and relatable topic that affects many entrepreneurs and business professionals – “Business Envy.” They explore the common feeling of envy and jealousy in the business and social world and discuss how it can impact individuals and their creative ventures. Spoiler alert: Maggie and Rich experience Business Envy differently! Listen in as they discuss. We would LOVE to get your feedback on topics like this and others. Send us a DM @housecoffeepodcast or email us housecoffeepodcast@gmail.Special thanks as always to TJ McMaster for mixing and producing this episode.
Transcript
Maggie:
Morning,
Rich:
Good. Just kidding. It is approximately 250 in the afternoon. And
Maggie:
Today
Rich:
I thought I’d throw that out there and get your reaction.
Maggie:
So I’ve been
Rich:
Hello.
Maggie:
Hi,
Rich:
Go ahead. No,
Maggie:
I’ve been waiting to tell you the story. I There were so many honey bees. In my yard this weekend. I was taking slow mo videos of them. And it is the coolest thing. like so many honey bees because we have Clover and I probably looked like a crazy person to anybody who was walking by my house because I was literally squatting down in my backyard like staring at flowers with bees trying to like catch them in the act of like Getting the pollen and it was I got one really good video out of like 20,
Rich:
It sounds magical.
Maggie:
It was it’s so magical and I want to share it with anybody who’s interested in watching because it’s like so cool.
Rich:
I was gonna ask if you had put it on your Instagram because I don’t think I saw it. No,
Maggie:
I haven’t yet. It’s just it’s in my own private collection.
Rich:
Yeah, that’s fun. I mean you guys live like down by the river and you’re always doing weird stuff around your house. So probably no one would have thought anything straight. Hey dancing anyway, and you know all your neighbors and
Maggie:
Yeah. but it was just like I just noticed one day there was like so many bees and I was like wow. Anyways, well things I wanted to share that with you because it’s it’s like it’s a really funny thing. Yeah.
Rich:
Well, I have not nothing. So wholesome going on in my life.
Maggie:
That’s not true.
Rich:
I mean, yeah.
Maggie:
You have a baby.
Rich:
Well, that’s yes, I do have what’s
Maggie:
More wholesome than a baby?
Rich:
I’m probably nothing not a lot maybe like Two babies and a dog, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m happy to have him he makes me smile.
Maggie:
Yeah. I’ve got the birds and the bees in my yard and you’ve got a baby
Rich:
Well.
Maggie:
So true.
Rich:
So true.
Maggie:
Hey,
Rich:
You’re drinking House Coffee a filtered conversations brewed out the intersection of real estate life and coffee shop service.
Maggie:
We’re Maggie and Rich local business owners and Friends sharing stories and welcoming you to pull up a chair with us the doors always open lettuce for you. Anyways, this is episode 17,
Rich:
But who’s counting?
Maggie:
I’m counting.
Rich:
I know that’s fun. That’s you know, I was thinking about this that’s like several months that we’ve been doing this because you sound like a lot but then I’m also maybe does something like a lot but it’s like it’s one a week and that’s four months. And that’s just like,
Maggie:
Yep.
Rich:
Nice job way to
Maggie:
Go
Rich:
Team. Shout out to TJ.
Maggie:
Yeah us and Becca.
Rich:
I am pulling up that letter. A little email. I’m surprised you didn’t see
Maggie:
I didn’t I haven’t shared email in a minute.
Rich:
It’s from our friend. Well you wanted to read it. Right? I
Maggie:
Want to read it. I haven’t read it.
Rich:
Do you have you ready? Shall we keep the identity? No,
Maggie:
She won’t mind if we’ll share if we share.
Rich:
Okay. Well she mind if we read it out.
Maggie:
I don’t know. I want to read I want to see it
Rich:
You wanted to vet it first.
Maggie:
No, I just well make maybe I might I’m gonna read it out loud. And then if I we can get out, yeah, we can edit
Rich:
It out stand by for nothing. Yeah.
Maggie:
Gosh, this is from Maggie. Goldball. Maggie mobile is my college best friend who I’ve known for so many years. And oh my gosh, I can’t believe this
Rich:
So guys four paragraphs.
Maggie:
Okay, I’m gonna read it.
Rich:
Okay.
Maggie:
She says hi guys. Hi, Maggie. Love the podcast. It makes me feel like I’m hanging out with friends. I find it calming but also inspiring inform and informative first off the thing you do is such a great movie love that and that love that it got a shout out Maggie. I appreciate the story about scarcity mindset and the Verizon plan I struggle with that spend the money to make your life easier. The amount of time. I always trying to save money is comical. Yeah. I hear that. Time is money. And I like what you said about peace of mind as a currency. Rich, I really like the idea of Story Coffee introducing the social media person and announcing that change. I’ve only seen this done a handful of times, but I find it. To feel so real slash authentic. I it’s like adding a character to to a story plus. I totally understand wanting to take a step back and being hands off. I know you don’t know me, but just wanted to share that. I think it’s a solid idea anyway, a huge fan of the podcast and of you too as people. Thanks for doing what you do. That makes my heart. So happy.
Rich:
Thanks, Maggie.
Maggie:
Thanks Maggie mobile.
Rich:
Thanks, Maggie for reading it
Maggie:
Maggie Goble. So so when we were in college We’re both named Maggie how to tell the two of us apart when we’re in both in the same room.
Rich:
I know that doesn’t sound confusing at all.
Maggie:
They call me Margo
Rich:
Nice
Maggie:
And they call her Maggie. So that’s that’s that
Rich:
And they are the only ones probably allowed to do that.
Maggie:
Well, just like our my friends.
Rich:
Yeah
Maggie:
My college friends. We’ve met a few of them.
Rich:
Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I’ve never heard you called that. So
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
I’m sorry, I won’t start.
Maggie:
Never mind. Really cool. Yeah,
Rich:
That’s sweet. But yeah that Thing You Do nice I’m glad I
Maggie:
Watch that now
Rich:
Talk about wholesome dude. That movie is actually pretty cool
Maggie:
With Tom Hanks. Yeah.
Rich:
I was just I smiled watching it recently just as much as I used to smile back in the day when I enjoyed it.
Maggie:
You know movie. Oh god, there
Rich:
Was this phase when I was in high school because I was I was like in a band and so I was Finding like every movie about band. Yeah. I was finally like every movie about a band and I could back you know back then. So yeah, that’s the story. So that was one. I randomly found. Hmm.
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
Anyway, you’re gonna say something. Oh,
Maggie:
I was gonna talk about another wholesome movie that I’ve seen a thousand times. And it’s The Parent Trap.
Rich:
Just classic.
Maggie:
Yeah. But anyways, well, thanks for taking the time to write
Rich:
Maggie. Yeah,
Maggie:
And I also know that our listeners. really appreciate when people leave feedback because it really shows. How much like one person’s experience can probably be shared with so many other people. So if you have feedback or a question. Our email is House Coffee podcast at gmail.com. And you can also slip into our DMS at House Coffee podcast
Rich:
As they say
Maggie:
As they say. Yes.
Rich:
We’re cool. So
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
We’re up to the lingo. We know what they say these days.
Maggie:
A kind of I mean, yeah, I feel like I’m entering that age where I’m like on the cusp of not being cool anymore. Or relevant. Yeah
Rich:
As
Maggie:
Like cool kids.
Rich:
You’re like good. You’re like a deep Millennial. I was thinking about this the other day. We’re both Millennials, but
Maggie:
Why am I deep Millennial
Rich:
Because you’re older than me. Yeah, Millennial stretches all the way back to 1981 and
Maggie:
That old.
Rich:
No. No, frankly.
Maggie:
We born in the 90s.
Rich:
Oh, yeah, I was. I am right on the edge.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm.
Rich:
I was about the first Edge
Maggie:
And I do the a
Rich:
Beginning
Maggie:
But the later end of the 80s
Rich:
The cutoff. Yep. Interest anyway, so what have you been listening to
Maggie:
What have I been listening to? Um,
Rich:
We’re going hard with the banter today. I know don’t worry. We’re getting
Maggie:
Into that really good topic
Rich:
Because that’s spicy stuff later on.
Maggie:
I I have Harry Styles. It’s not the same as it was stuck in my head because I was singing that I know we both were recording and cuz yeah, just long story short that’s in my head right now. and but before that I Have you heard of the band mansionair?
Rich:
I don’t think so funny.
Maggie:
They’re cool band and I’ve been playing
Rich:
As I thought
Maggie:
No, you would like them. They’re your Vibe. They’re chill. They’re chill band
Rich:
Cool.
Maggie:
If you like the 1975 you would like an engineer
Rich:
Another band that I just didn’t quite hop on the old man wagon for.
Maggie:
Yeah, but the song that is in my head that I’ve been listening to on repeat is called. violent city Violet as the color
Rich:
As you guys new
Maggie:
No. That’s
Rich:
Been around
Maggie:
For a while. That’s the song name. Yeah, I think it’s like an older song title.
Rich:
Maybe I have heard that
Maggie:
But the band is engineer
Rich:
Cool
Maggie:
What have you been listening to?
Rich:
You know, it’s a funny thing. I’ve been not listening to that much lately. Music wise or even even podcast wise. I mean, I’ll listen to ours I gotta catch. It’s been a while since I’ve listened to the cat Cloud podcast. I gotta catch up on that because there’s several episodes now since I last listened My car battery keeps dying. And that means that when I
Maggie:
Jump
Rich:
In and get it back on the radio doesn’t work because he’s like you have to put the code in. No, you feel like a code. It’s like an anti-theft thing
Maggie:
And
Rich:
Somebody wants my six disc changer. So you have to put this coat in and I can never wear the code so I actually have just been Driving around with us without a radio that
Maggie:
Because you don’t have an aux cable.
Rich:
Yeah, it doesn’t have that doesn’t have Bluetooth, right? Yeah. So I’ve been just sort of resigning myself to my thoughts lately. Wow. Um, I do like put on some true crime like videos when I’m doing dishes and stuff pretty off pretty often. Just whatever YouTube is suggesting suggests a lot of True Crime stuff because I got into that around covid, you know, that was like a thing and Um, yeah, I don’t know. I
Maggie:
Never gotten into True Crime.
Rich:
It’s not for everybody. Like my wife hates it I have to pause it. Whatever she comes around.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm. I’m sensitive to that kind of stuff. Yeah,
Rich:
Yeah. I am
Maggie:
An horror movies and all that. I
Rich:
Like to believe I’m not sensitive to it. Like it doesn’t I’m not afraid. It doesn’t give me anxiety or anything like that to my knowledge. Who knows what’s going on in the
Maggie:
I have a wild imagination as it is I don’t need yeah. Things I think Crystal and saying
Rich:
That kind of comes from this the standpoint, too. I will say that I have been listening to this. This is like another end of the spectrum, but I’ve actually been listening to some Psalms like playing like the Bible app. I haven’t done that in a long time. And there’s been enough going on in my life lately that it’s been making me. Just crave for something a little bit like
Maggie:
Poetic.
Rich:
Poetic deeper spiritual true to my soul, you know, just something a little more like grounding and it’s true crime Bible. I don’t think they’re antithetical. In fact. Yeah. Anyway, I don’t know anything that those two things don’t go ahead in hand, but you know things and just maybe sounds ironic.
Maggie:
It’s very
Rich:
Yeah. But they should be something I would do like just every day so often. I wish I could read but it’s time for that these days and this economy.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
So that’s been I don’t know last week or so.
Maggie:
I’ve been listening just a little bit called State change. Have you heard of
Rich:
I don’t think so.
Maggie:
It’s about
Rich:
I’m so uncultured.
Maggie:
No, it’s it’s
Rich:
About movies. No books still music.
Maggie:
I don’t I don’t know the author of the top my head. I don’t have my phone in front of me, but it is about like getting control of like your mental state. and like using like Tactics like non-traditional tactics to like calm your brain and help with like depression and anxiety ADHD symptoms all that. I’m not like superwoo when it comes to that. I do take medication for my ADHD, so I’m not like anti that but I am interested and curious about learning about alternative methods to help with anxiety and like super spirally symptoms that I have occasionally. So yeah,
Rich:
What you know, what are what are a couple like? non-traditional
Maggie:
Well things
Rich:
That you might not think of
Maggie:
Um so much things that like I already sort of have applied to my life is exercise is a huge thing for me. If I don’t exercise it wildly affects my mental state. and so I know that if I I’m if I don’t like release the like pent-up energy that I have inside me and like get those endorphins out then or at least those endorphins and like it wildly affects my day to day. not every day, but like every other day or every two days at Max I need to work out. and the other thing that they she talks about is nutrition and like making sure like Your alcohol consumption and like sugar consumption which caffeine consumption like all three of those things. I consume a lot of so I should like just trying to like figure out like how To moderate those so I’m not like super dependent on caffeine or super addicted to donuts and you know like
Rich:
Yeah
Maggie:
Reaching for like a drink at the end of the night, you know. so yeah, just interesting ways of
Rich:
Wise words.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm
Rich:
Intuitive when you think about it
Maggie:
So into
Rich:
I love stuff that is like Like if you stopped and thought about it for 10 seconds, you know, you would have thought of yourself maybe but it takes the reading a whole book or someone saying that you to catch on it sometimes.
Maggie:
No, totally.
Rich:
Well, cool.
Maggie:
So what are we talking about today Rich? I’m so excited.
Rich:
Yeah, I know. I dropped this one on yeah, just
Maggie:
This was not planned. You literally dropped this on. Yeah. Yeah.
Rich:
I think I think so early last week. I had a bunch of topic ideas and
Maggie:
We’ll get
Rich:
Into some of those. in the near future, but something else that kind of just came up. It’s just this this one kind of runs in the background for me. It’s just always always going on. and then like it’ll surface and I just get bummed, you know, so
Maggie:
What is that?
Rich:
We’re called. I’m calling it business and V
Maggie:
Business Envy
Rich:
Business Envy.
Maggie:
Yep. And for our listeners, we have not had a pre discussion about this which sometimes we do when you record our podcast we have like a pre discussion off the microphone about what we’re going to talk about and we have not had that before recording today. So this is going to be Are like truest real unfiltered thoughts? I think right?
Rich:
Yeah, and we might even have different ways of.
Maggie:
Experience
Rich:
Understanding or experiencing business Envy whatever that means to you.
Maggie:
So what brought this on?
Rich:
All right, so Okay, I want to talk about it because I think it’s something that probably a lot of people experience. if it when it really comes down to it and A friend. I’ve experienced it the entire time I’ve been in business and this might be a facet of my personality like Being an envious sort of person. and meaning like looking around at other people and and feeling like they’re cool and I’m not so it’s it’s like something about me just needing or wanting to feel cool.
Maggie:
What’s the difference between envy and jealousy?
Rich:
That is above my pay grade.
Maggie:
Okay,
Rich:
But I I think jealousy because that’s funny because I stopped myself from saying jealousy when I was when I was saying in a minute ago, and I said, no not jealousy Envy Envy. I mean she would just look it up frankly like I don’t even It’s like it’s probably a subtle difference.
Maggie:
There is a subtle difference, I think. Is jealousy wanting what somebody else has or wanting to have what somebody else has and envy is? wanting or having like mmm, like I can’t describe it without like saying the name without saying the word in the
Rich:
Oh plot twist,
Maggie:
Okay.
Rich:
Here’s jealous.
Maggie:
Okay
Rich:
Feeling or showing Envy. of someone or their or their achievements and advantages Didn’t see that coming
Maggie:
Me. Neither
Rich:
Didn’t see jealousy wrapping Envy up into its definition. All right, jealousy feeling or showing Envy. of someone or their achievements in advantages With Envy being a Feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else’s possessions qualities or luck.
Maggie:
Feeling of discontented what?
Rich:
A feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else’s possessions qualities or luck.
Maggie:
So Envy is the feeling.
Rich:
Right
Maggie:
Jealousy is showing
Rich:
Jealousy is the like out. working or the the like yeah, I don’t know part of these experience of it. Yeah, you might act out of jealousy.
Maggie:
Okay, so Envy is the right word.
Rich:
I mean there’s a subtle difference because those are sort of different those are sort of the same. But yeah, right and so Envy is it it’s it’s feeling it’s sort of looking at someone else’s situation and saying I wish that was my situation.
Maggie:
Yep,
Rich:
And being bummed. That’s right as a result.
Maggie:
Can you get worse? Can you give an example? Of business Envy for you.
Rich:
Yeah,
Maggie:
And what brought this on?
Rich:
Yeah, I’ll give you the example.
Maggie:
Okay,
Rich:
What brought this on so Story time. Okay, and the reason is hard to talk about this kind of thing see? Okay, I think a lot of people experience this and I think it’s hard to admit because it is
Maggie:
Taboo
Rich:
Taboo. It’s like I don’t know. Jealousy Envy who wants to admit those things, you know, they’re
Maggie:
I experience them.
Rich:
There’s like a little bit of Shame there. There’s also like why am I? Why am I feeling this way also why am I not cool enough to be like that? It’s like and then and then like why do I care? There’s a lot of reasons why. So I’m just gonna do it. I’m just gonna say it. Here we go. I’m ready to be
Maggie:
Vulnerable. Okay,
Rich:
Okay. Gonna say it just alright, so I sign Instagram and I don’t know where I was going through some stories and I follow like a bunch of local coffee places online and look here’s the deal. I know. I know almost everyone. Out there doing coffee in the capital region. This little Upstate area of New York. Okay, and if I don’t know you I’m coming for you like I will know you soon. I just I’m just I’m just attentive and that’s not a brag. That’s just that’s just an observation.
Maggie:
Yep.
Rich:
I’ve been in this thing for five years, but here’s the thing part
Maggie:
Quietly attentive
Rich:
Part of what? Part of what drew me into coffee was being aware of what everyone was doing in coffee, even before I got into it. So it’s not even the five years that I’ve been in business that I’ve been aware. It’s the five plus. Two three, let’s go back to 2014 20. Let’s go to 2015. That’s what eight years. So for the last eight years. I’ve been dialed in no pun intended to the coffee scene. in the capital region, and honestly, we can take it back maybe 15 years because I was going to coffee shops. We’ll call them coffee houses. I was going to the coffee houses before. I was even anywhere near getting into coffee. I was just as a high school student as a college student going to the local. coffee places to hang out to get coffee to play music. So I’ve been around coffee and the coffee scene in the capital region for a long time. Specialty coffee and I’m not getting into that but we’ve been into it in the past specialty coffee in the capital region. We can date it back to I would say 20. 15 or so That’s a hot take it could 2014. We could say 2014 probably. so That’s just to say. I know
Maggie:
Giving your resume.
Rich:
I know who’s out there. Yeah. Okay, so I just feel like there’s a handful of specialty coffee places That get a lot of attention. and Show up. on people’s Radars and we Don’t Story show up on those same Radars,
Maggie:
Okay?
Rich:
As evidenced by the fact that we don’t make the lists. We don’t end up on the lists. So if you see a list. We we are we’re using
Maggie:
Her like like best of less sure kind of things. Yeah. Remember that one. Yeah.
Rich:
You brought we were gonna make an episode.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
This is this a while back. There’s probably another list since the first list
Maggie:
And
Rich:
I don’t remember if we’ve talked about it or not.
Maggie:
We haven’t
Rich:
There was like there’s like always the capital region best of Now to be fair we did win. I think we won The Gazette one in like 2020 or something like that. So we did win one of these more hyperlocal ones way back but like Kappa like the Times Union. Capital Region paper, I don’t even think like we make we’re gonna get it numb. I don’t know, you know if we get nominated. Okay, but this okay. All right. So there’s when lists come out of like places that I like places that we would be kind of neck and neck with as far as the quality of things the style. We’re just not we just aren’t there, you know, we don’t have to love and I don’t know. This and okay. All right, and this is not also to say that people don’t love us and it’s not to say to the people who do go to story and do love it that that like they don’t matter. It’s which is why business envious business Envy is so dumb because it’s not like there are people that don’t love our products our company our place. It’s not like our reviews aren’t good. It’s not like things aren’t working out but From my vantage point I see this like the popular kids, you know, I see the cool kids and the popular kids over here. And whenever they name-drop places it’s not us. That’s what it is. So it’s like it’s like the standard I’m using to judge. Is absurd but I’m using the standard of the cool kids and what they’re into and when the cool kids don’t. Name story then
Maggie:
You talking about the cool kids on Instagram.
Rich:
He yeah,
Maggie:
I’m just clarifying for in case I
Rich:
Guess so
Maggie:
Yeah lost
Rich:
As far as like sure as far as the lens
Maggie:
Okay
Rich:
Through which to view all this happening. Facebook Instagram so good sir. Social media
Maggie:
Do you? so you feel made the list. Because story didn’t make the list.
Rich:
People on who got on the list
Maggie:
Who got the shout out.
Rich:
Yeah.
Maggie:
Okay,
Rich:
Yeah.
Maggie:
Just making sure I’m
Rich:
On let me let me let me see how clear I can make this for us. Okay? Here’s what happened. I was going through the stories of people on my feet at the top of my Instagram and one of them was a coffee shop in Schenectady. And they were resharing. A post that was being shared by this other person and I’m not trying to I’m not cut this is not a call out. There’s nothing to call out here. This is this is me.
Maggie:
This is you
Rich:
A processing. Yeah
Maggie:
Sure.
Rich:
This is not a call. So naming names are not like I’m not saying anything bad about anyone. I’m just telling you an example. Okay. So this local artist is producing a zine. I know the art. I actually don’t know if I ever met the artist but they’re one of the like
Maggie:
Don’t know what a Zine is.
Rich:
Oh my gosh. You did ask me that I said it’s not the point.
Maggie:
You said it wasn’t the
Rich:
First hilarious. Okay, a Zine is a it’s basically like a handmade or hand. It’s like a hand. I don’t want to say handmade in the sense. I like every issue is is drawn by hand and that’s really done is short for magazine, but it’s like a style of magazine. It’s that’s usually localized.
Maggie:
Okay. I’m really not one of the cool kids anymore.
Rich:
Zines are not super popular these days.
Maggie:
Okay, but it’s a print of something.
Rich:
It’s a yes, it’s okay. It’s a printed booklet.
Maggie:
Gotcha. Got it. Okay,
Rich:
That is that it’s usually handmade sometimes it is like contributed to so it will almost think of almost like a collage like a collage book. It could literally contain collages as like art pieces. It could contain right UPS. It could contain stories.
Maggie:
I got it now.
Rich:
It will largely contain. Graphics it’s it’s often curated by one person or one entity but might contain submissions from other people or Or creators or whatever. So in this case, it’s a local artist creating a Zine focused on Mental Health which is dope. And again, they’re an artist so contains their illustrations and it contains their content and they’ve been it’s new, but the person is not new the person has done work with local coffee shops and other organizations, but particularly like in local coffee shops for many years Since before I was in coffee, this person has been around. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew. stories existed right just because we’ve been around the capital region and we’ve been around Albany long enough and I believe that and they’re already based. So they Are producing the scene and they worked to come up with a list of places all around the capital region Albany Schenectady and Troy. I wrote them down. There are four. or five places in each in each of these categories Albany security Troy and in each City, there are two there in each City. There’s at least one or two coffee shops. And then other other places so it’s quite it’s quite a mix of the kinds of places where they wanted to do these drop offs. But as you can imagine a story does not on the list and and whatever dude
Maggie:
Not seeing stories,
Rich:
Whatever.
Maggie:
Caused you to feel Envy.
Rich:
Yes, okay. Yes this list. It’s not like these are random coffee shops. The names on this coffee on this list. These are the places I go for coffee. These are the places I would say you should go for coffee. These are not the coffee houses of the capital region. These are the coffee shops the specialty places. These are the cool places. to go for coffee in the capital region Okay. Now you also have some art there’s a gap. There’s a couple galleries on here. Arts based places there’s even a library. each city has a gallery each city has like two coffee shops, or Albany technically only as one Surprise, they didn’t hit the I’m surprised it in at the electric city Barn. They had the Albany Barn. Okay, but that so again not a problem not actually even a thing. We’re actually in Scotia not Schenectady if you want to think about it that way. Like I could come up with a long list of reasons why we wouldn’t be honest like this. So there’s not a fairness thing,
Maggie:
Right?
Rich:
It’s just it’s just an observation and it’s just one in a long line of occurrences of things like this where storied just feels like it gets left out of the cool kid Circle sometimes
Maggie:
And it makes you feel. like bummed
Rich:
Yes, it does. It does the two Schenectady. I guess I’m looking, you know the Schenectady places our business predates. Well, except for students connected where they they have a which is a college where they have a culinary program and I don’t know. I don’t know in what capacity the sun is connected e Community College is being linked with this Zen drop off like where it’s going in that organization, but the other three businesses we predate by by months and even a year or more and so anyway
Maggie:
One would argue that. You’re cool because you’re not on the list.
Rich:
Yeah. It could be. it could be this is just like I don’t even know I
Maggie:
Really don’t even know how to think about it or feel about it, but all this isn’t the first time you’ve like been you’ve been thinking about this.
Rich:
Yeah so
Maggie:
Much so that you wanted to Have a discussion.
Rich:
Okay, here’s another example. So like Gosh, I hope someone hears this and just like bro. Get over yourself. So grams obviously made this connection list and I love Gramps I go there all the time. I was there first customer. You heard it here first. Okay on opening day. uh before grams opened storied opened about we opened February they opened in August and Katherine who owns it was coming to story while she was planning the grams so which is awesome. I felt that was that was really cool. Like I got to hear her story. I got to get excited about that place opening up and follow on the journey and then like I said, I celebrate places and people who are doing like the thing they’re doing it, you know, so and I still go there and I run into people there and it’s it’s funny one time. My stop was closed and Arthur’s was closed. And then while I was at Graham’s the Arthur’s guys came, it’s like we all know where to go, you know. Yeah,
Maggie:
But
Rich:
Arthur’s is another one on this connection list. You nor others we were meeting there four weeks and the fun for months planning this very podcast because I love it. That’s I think that’s the bummer thing for me is that I love these places. I love these people. I love what’s going on in the capital region with these businesses. I’m not against them. I want to like I’m celebrate them. I celebrate them I do and when I feel like that that has never really that never really feels reciprocated. For some reason Christina and I have have tried to process and think through this. I don’t know. I don’t know if there’s a bigger celebrator of local business than like. Christina me.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
Maybe you I mean I sure and there are plenty of people that’s
Maggie:
Exaggeration just to like follow up on that point like when nibble Nosh opened in your old place like you stored was one of the first people to like comment and promote and look here them on
Rich:
You’re hurting your first.
Maggie:
Hey, that
Rich:
Was saying I’m their best customer just because like There are you know, we’ve all got our hours and I’m I don’t spend that much time with Scotia anymore sadly. but again, yeah, I celebrate I celebrate these people.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm.
Rich:
I don’t consider them competitors necessarily but like I I don’t know. I think that it is just it’s painful on a lot of levels and I don’t fully even understand. that but I know that
Maggie:
We
Rich:
We’re we just we love what’s going on and we would we would do a lot for these places and and I mean something like thinking I’m yeah, I’m sorry processing out loud, you know,
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
It’s not so this one trying to say it’s not a bad thing. No one’s doing anything wrong here. It’s it’s like sad for me trying to understand that feeling. I’m not even in my discontent me. And so okay. So I’m using you know to use that definition of envy discontented
Maggie:
Resentful long
Rich:
Resentful. Yeah. I mean, those are powerful words and those are powerful things and I guess I end up in a place where I’m like, story, it feels that feels like such a struggle sometimes and it feels like we’re always going uphill and for all the good that comes in like what gets back to someone like me if I’m not there day to day is is just the negative stuff, you know, so then I can be left with this unbalanced view of like everyone everyone hates us everyone has you know story and we can never do it. Right? And so it’s like why bother and then it’s just becomes this time cycle.
Maggie:
I think the a large reason why people fell in love with storied is because they fell in love with you and Christine like you guys were there. All the time and yes, I wasn’t like the best. thing for you to be sleeping at storied and being there all the time, but I’ve never done that and but like yeah, I’m not trying to come up with a solution or say the why but I do know that a big portion. The reason why people love story is because they love you and maybe this feels like with you not being there as much it feels like people don’t love you anymore. I don’t know.
Rich:
Yeah. That’s which isn’t true, right? That’s what’s so funny about the way we end up like feeling about things. You know, there’s it’s so often rooted in not truth. And then we we Just buy into these these lies.
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
Like the whole social media comparison game. Yeah,
Maggie:
That
Rich:
Humans are currently experiencing. Although keeping up with the Joneses is this age-old thing so it’s not like so the social media just the newest and worst like way of of this going on our last but this this kind of thing is always been happening. I there’s something we said though. I don’t know. There’s somebody who said for how long this has been occurring in my life. And that just keeps coming up like this cycle.
Maggie:
Do you feel like you’re always falling short in terms of lists or do you feel like you you’ve you often feel a sense of discontentment about things going on with storied
Rich:
I feel extreme discontent. hmm prettier pretty regularly pretty awesome. Like if I’m being honest
Maggie:
Like discouraged or just like yeah,
Rich:
I think I think right discontentment is like the result of Of certain things and so there’s a lot of discouragement I think. You know sales numbers sales volume. And then and then yeah Compares comparing ours like what we have or don’t have to what other people have. so
Maggie:
That’s poison.
Rich:
Yeah. It is. There’s so that there’s so much to think through and Wade through on this. Because okay, it’s everybody to first of all everybody Compares
Maggie:
Themself. That’s kind of people in the similar in a similar business. Yeah, I do it too.
Rich:
Yeah,
Maggie:
So this isn’t like enough a singular thing. You’re not alone and how you’re feeling in this and I’m sure other shops out there have their own version of Comparison and feelings of Envy so like just right there. I
Rich:
Think that’s true.
Maggie:
You’re not alone.
Rich:
But like, how do you Okay, thanks. I appreciate that. I think that’s true. And that’s kind of was gonna say in different words is there’s two realities here. And I think this is something this is like a counseling or like a therapy thing right is like not that I’ve been in maybe that’s what I need. Maybe I just need a counseling
Maggie:
Honestly. I’m in here. I love
Rich:
It. All right, that’s the solution all my problems. No, there’s two realities of things. Okay, there’s one which is that
Maggie:
Like
Rich:
Your feelings are your feelings and they’re valid. Okay, and then there’s And but usually they’re rooted in some form of of falsehood or like a false notion or a lie, you believe or you’ve bought into or you’ve grown up around or whatever it is, right? But you’re still there and that’s still there’s something there. That’s that needs to be explored and rooted out maybe or just just corrected with some truth. And so that’s a reality and I’m trying not to jump to dismissing that. Because that’s not helpful and then you have the reality that okay. The flip side is okay. But these are the things that are true. If you look at it this way change your like put a different spin on a perspective, etc. Etc. And you just gotta keep those in Balance. So that’s what I’m trying not to. Do right now is like rush through? I said these things out loud and I’m trying to think about. The reality of the feelings and then where they’re coming from and explore that more. And frankly, it’s probably like a lot of thinking to do about this. I’m not trying to stretch this into a whole bunch of episodes and I want to hear your side of things too, but It’s it’s too deep for one conversation,
Maggie:
Right?
Rich:
Probably so there’s the there’s the fact of the of the feelings and then there’s there’s like the reality. real reality of the feelings which is Are they Fair? Are they reasonable are they? based in truth and then like kind of not attacking but correcting bringing some correction or persuasion toward Toward those feelings to try to get to a more balanced healthy way of thinking about things.
Maggie:
Right. Yeah,
Rich:
I don’t know. So again, I’ve never been a therapy, but I know enough to know that like you have to be honest. about it and not dismissive, but you also have to be willing to Hear the truth or consider like a different perspective.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
So that’s a fun project.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
And and that’s yeah. So anyway, I’m just trying to say I see I see see to the whole I don’t see the whole picture, but I’m I’m seeing that there’s a lot of Components to this whole this whole thing. I’m experiencing right now.
Maggie:
It’s also interesting because you’re Enneagram personality type is The Peacemaker? And so it’s interesting that. Seeing you. Not be at peace with yourself is probably really frustrating because as a peacemaker you want you can see both sides. To someone’s story like to an argument you can you can see both sides and argue both sides very clearly. So for you like having not being able to like I I think what I see is your struggle. to see both sides when like it’s okay. Like you’re all you’re on one hand like feeling these feelings that I mean, but on the other hand, you’re like dismissing them which is painful side.
Rich:
Yeah,
Maggie:
And like I mean we all do it. but I can see this internal struggling right now.
Rich:
Yeah. well Thanks. I was thinking about that, too.
Maggie:
Were you?
Rich:
Yeah, cuz it’s my that’s my tendency. Right but we’re all we’re all like the worst to ourselves.
Maggie:
Right? And
Rich:
So while I I think funny enough last weekend, we were traveling. And the person that I say this it was last weekend. It was two weekends ago. it was last weekend like it’s Monday we didn’t yeah. so we were traveling with one of Christine’s friends. We picked her up on our way out to
Maggie:
Ohio Ohio,
Rich:
And she is really into the well as you knowledgeable about the Enneagram. more than like you yeah or me or Maybe just as knowledgeable about my friend as my as my friend Rachel who was the one who kind of got me into it and or welcome to do it.
Maggie:
Not the Rachel that I know.
Rich:
Yeah.
Maggie:
Oh,
Rich:
Yeah. so We had some cycle conversations about the Enneagram because she’s very aware of like what it means to be a certain number but also to have a certain wings and the different combinations and she was aware of like everyone’s things too. So so I was we were talking through that and I don’t I didn’t come away. Unfortunately. I didn’t come away with like a lot of knowledge that was helpful to me or like things that I remember that I could say right now, but I did. Find it. encouraging in the moment and also challenging and like just yeah gave me some food. Yeah
Maggie:
Food
Rich:
For thought. and she had some of the things she said highlighted some of the weaknesses of the night and I just don’t remember them right now on spot, but it was It was insightful. And yeah, I think that’s that’s the thing here is like you can see and I’m just I’m just thinking back to that because I’m thinking about the way that as you’re saying I can kind of see both sides and that’s the way I tend to tend to work, but that doesn’t bring me to a super helpful place and you trying to keep the peace among
Maggie:
Like seeing both sides is like putting a war within yourself.
Rich:
Yeah. Well, yeah and that’s what being a peacemaker is as I wonder if that’s more outward focused like it’s it’s I don’t want to you don’t want to rock the boat so you don’t like You you hear all sides, but you don’t necessarily take a stand
Maggie:
Yes,
Rich:
Or make your stand known.
Maggie:
Yeah, or
Rich:
Because You don’t want to. You want to avoid like con? What’s yeah controversy conflicts. It’s like a conflict before this thing, which is Not that helpful. I mean it can be helpful. It’s like a coping mechanism because then you don’t ever have complex and you know, like sort them out and deal with it, but if you You also it’s not as constructive
Maggie:
Because
Rich:
You things are just sliding. Here’s letting things go letting things slide building a persimmon and possibly and as it’s all. The best things are the worst things about an intergram number sometimes or a personality trait.
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
And your gram or not? So don’t audit.
Maggie:
Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that.
Rich:
Yeah, there’s probably more artists to say but I don’t know how deep. I don’t know how far to get to get into it. Now, you know, yeah,
Maggie:
Are you still processing your feelings?
Rich:
I just I’m here to say that if you experience business Envy the way I do. and I trust that you do because probably even the cool kids like are just out here doing what they’re doing. Like they’re not it’s not like they feel like they’re cool, you know. Yeah some do but they become bullies. That’s a different thing. It’s there they’re just doing what they do, and I’m reading into it a certain way and I don’t know how to change that but I do think that the feeling of feeling like if things are hard for you. And you’re looking around and saying things look really easy for them. It might not be as true as that. It might not be as simple as that and it’s funny because knowing these business owners, especially like Yeah, it’s knowing knowing something that I know about how some businesses are operating. Things aren’t as good as they look you know, like the numbers don’t work quite the way. They need to so that’s the thing. That’s the other side. So I’m just trying to say that. I think I think being envious of what other people have going on is perfectly human perfectly normal. Valid feeling in business. They can be heightened and I feel like sometimes it is because businesses never just business. It’s highly personal especially small business entrepreneurship Etc. Depending on the type of person you are and how serial of an entrepreneur you are. if you got one little passion project like you put your whole heart and soul on that thing and then when other people don’t it’s love it for what it is or don’t just love it the way they love other things it feels like rejection and rejection never feels good. So I I see you did I feel you if you’re out there? You’re hearing me. You’re like, oh, yeah.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
I’m your guy
Maggie:
We could talk about it. Yeah.
Rich:
Email
Maggie:
That’s so fascinating.
Rich:
So just something I don’t know. I don’t even know if they’re what there is to process about that. It’s just like how I it’s something I’ve experienced. I experienced a lot. It gives me a lot of questions in my life about how I should be doing things differently that I currently am and and I live with it.
Maggie:
I read something on Instagram funny that we’re like talking about like influencers. I read something in Instagram recently. That was very insightful. and it was basically Nobody knows what they’re doing.
Rich:
Heard that they
Maggie:
Don’t like they are figuring things out as they go along myself included. And you just have to do. What is right for you? and I know your spiritual person and I kind of grew up in like that spiritual world and everything and I think oftentimes like I can picture like asking ourselves like for Direction like God, what am I supposed to do? Which direction should I go? Should I do this? Should I do that and sometimes it’s best to just like call it. You’re still Small Voice. Call it your gut whatever you want to call it. Just pick something and do it just make a decision and do it because At the end of the day. Nobody really does know what they’re doing. They are figuring things out as they go along. And that’s sort of been the key for. My Success like like in terms of like business, but I still experience Envy of other business of other Accounts, but I’m also working really hard to adopt the mindset of if it’s meant to be it’s up to me. That’s been my kind of theme for this year. and yeah. Everyone is figuring things out as they go along. Some are just better at faking it than others. Yeah.
Rich:
I think that’s true.
Maggie:
It is true.
Rich:
Fake it till you break it.
Maggie:
But we’re in a fake here. We’re yeah, this is as real as it
Rich:
Was. no, like I mean, yeah, we try. I mean it’s good to be. you gotta be real, you know
Maggie:
Gotta be real
Rich:
Because yeah, I don’t know. these things are like it’s because like I said like You gotta know you’re not alone and stuff. That’s the other thing is I don’t know. It’s can be super lonely out here in this and like
Maggie:
Yeah doing
Rich:
Business and trying to make something. Work and that’s the other thing. He’s like you see a list of people it was you see a list of names and it’s like Look at those guys. They’re not lonely because everyone loves them. They’re on this list. That’s like
Maggie:
But
Rich:
I’m out here donalice. So I’m alone. Yeah, it’s dumb. It’s dumb.
Maggie:
It’s not it’s real. It’s human.
Rich:
Yeah,
Maggie:
It’s a hundred percent human.
Rich:
Well So, okay. tell tell me about How you experience that?
Maggie:
I just business Envy. Yeah,
Rich:
How do you experience businesses? I
Maggie:
Experience business Envy. through comparison like like so the only I should say like to our audience the only precursor that rich and I discussed before hitting record was this list like Rich sent me a screenshot of this list. And that’s I just knew we were going to be talking about this list and that’s all. and I miss like I had my own interpretation of like How Envy would play into things? And
Rich:
Because what I did I texted you said I have a topic idea that I’m sorry. Yeah, and I just wrote business
Maggie:
Envy business
Rich:
Envy and you’re like love it. Yeah,
Maggie:
And
Rich:
Then I say it’s less
Maggie:
Then you shot of that. So then how is it different? Like what so I didn’t even know this that story wasn’t on that list at first. I was just noticing like the like a prettiness of like the image and like the cool factor of the whole concept And I was like damn that’s really cool. I wish that I could be cool enough to create some sort of like. cool Factor Not even realizing that the thing that you are feeling Envy about was like not being on the list
Rich:
Because you didn’t look at and say oh look at all these cool coffee shops
Maggie:
No place. I was more like five of the photo. Yeah,
Rich:
That’s funny. Yeah, because it was the the list was the original context
Maggie:
Exactly you had zero contact
Rich:
But this was written by the artist who was creating the zine so was put against the backdrop that was creative and artistic from imperative content
Maggie:
And I’m like man. I wish I had time to create like pretty content that was out there because I think my Envy is is more like geared toward like influencer spaces and like the pretty picture-perfect pretty pictures that are put out there and I am envious of people who Have the like ability to like create content? I know we talked about this last week how you hired a social media person? I would say I’m pretty active on my stories, but I’m not active at all on my feed, which I want to be and I want to be able to create. pretty things and make a connection with people in that way, but um, my business itself is I’ve got a lot of irons in the fire as you know, and I wish I had like a better time. like organizing my life. I’m very disorganized. I feel very disorganized.
Rich:
So you are looking around at the content? Being created by people that you follow or that you see that. Yeah that have a following and you are Assuming that their lives are organized more organized than yours. Yep such that they have the capacity to create.
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
Somewhere involved content.
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
Okay. I don’t so
Maggie:
We have like a larger following but it’s like because they’re putting the work in. To create the content. But I’m not. And it’s reflective and like the numbers.
Rich:
Yeah, is there is there a Feeling? Associated with this for you. Like is it?
Maggie:
The feeling is why bother? sometimes
Rich:
Nice, what do you call that resignation?
Maggie:
Yeah. Yeah, cuz isn’t it overwhelming to try to turn it up discourage all Yeah, yeah,
Rich:
Absolutely. Absolutely. That’s why I that’s part of mine, too. I don’t know that this is different. I don’t know that. You’re just experiencing it through a different lens Yeah, a different a different way. We’re both comparing.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm. Yeah
Rich:
Ourselves and our abilities. Our our products and in this we’re both comparing like what we can produce and put out there personally with what other people are doing and our presumptions about the way that what people are producing. is being received by other people
Maggie:
Right
Rich:
So we’re presuming that. Because okay, maybe maybe I’m maybe I’m like now I’m trying to interpret this thing. Well, anyway, do you more say
Maggie:
No?
Rich:
I just think there’s not that much difference between what you’re experiencing what you’re feeling and what I’m
Maggie:
Gonna be right. Yeah, you could be right.
Rich:
But we’re not to say we’re experiencing exact same way. I think there are differences. But it’s they’re both come from comparison.
Maggie:
Yeah.
Rich:
And I think they both maybe have and I mean this is why the title probably jumped out to you but like the Envy is is there I think it’s just what it is that we’re gonna be us about
Maggie:
Right
Rich:
Might be a little
Maggie:
Yeah
Rich:
A bit different.
Maggie:
I see things and I’m like I could do that. I’ve done. Yeah, I’ve done that I could do that. I could do that better. That’s ugly. What I make is prettier like all the like me, you know, those knee-jerk thoughts that when you like come of comparison. Like when you see something they’re not pretty thoughts. That I have about people’s pretty things, you know. They’re but they’re put up and being honest. And these are really people that I know so like you’re comparing it to people, you know, I’m comparing myself to people. I don’t know
Rich:
Interesting. Yeah,
Maggie:
You know that’s
Rich:
Interesting.
Maggie:
That’s I think the key difference. You are comparing yourself to people
Rich:
Who live alone lock dude.
Maggie:
Yeah. And I’m comparing myself to people. I don’t know which isn’t really healthy and I know a lot of people when they compare themselves. You know. Probably are comparing themselves to strangers on the internet.
Rich:
Yeah.
Maggie:
You’re comparing yourself to your friends on the internet.
Rich:
Yeah. If you made it this far in the episode shout out because seriously, we’re not even done dude. So
Maggie:
I really wish I had that cold brew coffee.
Rich:
I mean we could table this thing. Right back around
Maggie:
I’m nervous to let
Rich:
You know I don’t want to bring come back.
Maggie:
I don’t want this to drag on to be. like a depressing a depressing over and see episodes, you know. But I do think it’s important to acknowledge these things. Because here’s the thing. rich someone else is probably comparing themself. To you
Rich:
Dude. I hope they are. All right. And I hope they realize that they’re doing a great job. Even though they’re not starting
Maggie:
But it works both ways comparison works both ways,
Rich:
Right? Dude comparison is so dumb. When you really just think about it,
Maggie:
I know
Rich:
But for all these reasons, it’s like it goes both ways. That’s I don’t know it. Okay. Well, I was really intrigued by the fact that you said. Which you said because for me I’m comparing myself to people I know personally. And there’s like that there’s like a relational thing there, you know, there’s like this longing to be part of something like a community. I mean this is this is the same Dynamic like this is the cool kid Dynamic. There’s the cool kids look like they have it all they look like they’ve got this togetherness and then you feel if you don’t feel cool or you’re not received.
Maggie:
I understand that. Yeah,
Rich:
So
Maggie:
That makes perfect sense to me.
Rich:
But where I’m going is like I’m on my scent from my standpoint from someone in my shoes. It’s like you feel left out you feel Rejected you, you know, most of these people know you. but but there’s like not the the same level of recognition for your work. As there is for their work. and part of that is like the people who who are who are not okay, there’s two groups here though. There’s like the people who are the consumers and there’s people who are the creators and I’m in the Creator category in that. And that dichotomy and then there’s the the consumers so consumers. Foodies who whomever the artistic people the coffee like they they go for these places. And never mind that they may be delivered to literally live in the neighborhood that that there is like maybe this literally just a geographical thing. So again, this is why it’s stupid at the end of the day sometimes but for whatever reason these this set of names is always shouting out this set of places. Okay, and that and then even me I’m shouting out this set of places,
Maggie:
But
Rich:
Then it doesn’t really come back around. It’s not like they shot us out all that often and you know, what forgive me because they probably do or have and I’ve taken out of that and I’m just being bitter or whatever and and then like The consumers they don’t you know, they’re not shouting stuff. So it’s like I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m not trying to get back into it. I’m just trying I’m just trying to say. There’s something about that personal aspect that is intriguing. to think about because if that makes a relational that makes it like a community thing that makes it personal on it on a level on an interesting level. and to compare So that’s all that’s a whole thing. That’s a whole question. That’s all other scenario and you’re talking about comparing to people to strangers, which is another thing that I don’t know what that really is. That really is just a sense of personal identity. Like does that relate to what
Maggie:
I don’t know
Rich:
Don’t know if I if we need to try to figure that out now, I’m just saying like that’s a different. That’s this. That’s it is a slightly different Dynamic.
Maggie:
Mm-hmm. Yeah,
Rich:
That’s intriguing to think about.
Maggie:
Like why? Why should I care? Like why should I compare myself to? Strangers on the internet, but I know I’m not the only one.
Rich:
Right Yeah, of course not.
Maggie:
When it comes to like my my business space. And what I’m striving for,
Rich:
Yeah. It’s easy to get that frustration when you know, it’s it’s easy to become frustrated when you know, you can do something. just as good or better as stuff you see out there and and then your life just doesn’t correspond. Yeah
Maggie:
Or
Rich:
Cooperate. so
Maggie:
Yeah, just
Rich:
Not that. I’m just saying that a lot again. You said it I’m saying it. Just observation.
Maggie:
Yeah, but also nobody really knows what they’re doing. That’s that’s the real truth.
Rich:
Maybe that’s the takeaway.
Maggie:
I think it is. at the end of the day and I it’s interesting because I just sort of read that over this weekend before we talked about this business Envy. Nobody knows what they’re doing. People are figuring it out as they go.
Rich:
Well, I’ve said it all along. I mean I I yeah this whole thing has been a learning experience. I have no business Acumen. I have no business being in business and Now it’s funny because now I have a friend there’s somebody at the shop who was who listens to the podcast and he was literally like hey, can I ask you some how’s that has some like entrepreneurship questions for you? So like now we look like we know we’re doing and it’s like
Maggie:
Oh because of the podcast.
Rich:
Yeah, so I guess I’m trying to say it’s all relative. It’s all relative because because you if you’ve done something long enough, you look like you have figured something out. And so you just people just think that you you know what you’re doing and you
Maggie:
Solid advice recently about knowing your numbers and Knowing your margins and all these things like you gave some really solid advice. Thanks recently.
Rich:
I mean, I’m always learning and that’s that’s what you’re saying. We’re figuring it out as long as you’re always figuring out. Mmm, and you know you fake it to you fake a break it. That’s gonna be my thing
Maggie:
Why I think it to you break it.
Rich:
That’s either gonna break her make so
Maggie:
Why keep faking it? Why wouldn’t you want to make it? Why would you want to
Rich:
Pray? I mean I’ve I’m always Faking It. Which makes which means I look like I’m making it. But you’re not gonna know until I break it.
Maggie:
Oh. I was so confused when you said that earlier. Yeah,
Rich:
It’s not a thing. I just made it up.
Maggie:
Okay. Well, I want to fake it till I make it. And I’m not faking it. I’m just saying
Rich:
Yeah. Well, yeah. I’m glad that we put this out there. I think I’m
Maggie:
Glad you suggested this
Rich:
Think I needed to get that off my chest and I think that’s probably real, you know, there’s a lot of people said about that. You can talk about it all day. we’re not going to but
Maggie:
Yeah,
Rich:
If somebody’s got something to say about it
Maggie:
Really would like to hear to know.
Rich:
Yeah.
Maggie:
We cannot be the only ones
Rich:
Who have experience that.
Maggie:
Do you experience that?
Rich:
I know you do
Maggie:
Audience.
Rich:
I know you have if you don’t know you have
Maggie:
Yeah, so
Rich:
Hit us up
Maggie:
For sure all the places, you know, how to reach us House Coffee podcast. At Gmail and on Instagram and on the internet.
Rich:
Yeah, keep those emails rolling it.
Maggie:
Thanks for listening to us today, and we will have a more positive. Episode for you to listen,
Rich:
Come on this week. No. No, this is positive. I stop there. Just another cell phone.
Maggie:
Okay? All right. We love you. Later.