18: Unhinged Vibes & Work Life Balance

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Maggie:
Hi, Maggie. Hey Rich. I was just telling you before we started recording. That I’m really bad at time management.

Rich:
Yeah, well It runs in the family. Yeah,

Maggie:
It’s I don’t know. I don’t want to say it’s a curse, but it’s just something I’m always striving to be better at

Rich:
Well good to have goals

Maggie:
Here. We are starting a half hour later than we initially wanted to start. You know what the people don’t know I know

Rich:
But

Maggie:
That’s it’s fun. That’s fine.

Rich:
This is the first time we’re recording so late at night though.

Maggie:
How’s coffee after Dark?

Rich:
And trying to pack it in because you got a vacation coming up.

Maggie:
Yep.

Rich:
Excited for you. Where you going?

Maggie:
So

Rich:
What are you doing staycation?

Maggie:
No, it’s not a staycation. I don’t think so. Otherwise, you probably just recorded this effort. Yeah if it was a staycation. Brandon and I are going to Madison Wisconsin and we’re gonna go visit my nephew Nathan.

Rich:
Oh so fun. Yeah, you did mention that to me, but I didn’t

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
I didn’t put that together like timing

Maggie:
Wise. Yeah. So we’re going to be flying into Chicago and renting a car and driving to Madison for a few days. And then we’re gonna be driving to Kalamazoo Michigan to visit my sister Hannah and her husband Jeff. And then we’re gonna drive back to Chicago and fly home

Rich:
Fun. How much driving like how far is that?

Maggie:
So Chicago’s like the Midway point so it’ll be like three hour drive to Madison, Wisconsin. And then from Wisconsin to Kalamazoo will be about a four hour drive.

Rich:
Got it. Yeah, I’ve been out there before.

Maggie:
Oh, I’ve been to Chicago a bunch of times. I’ve never been to. Madison Wisconsin as far as I know and I’ve never been to Kalamazoo.

Rich:
Nice, so where Was in Chicago like what? Why did you go there?

Maggie:
It’s just a central location.

Rich:
You just flown into it or you’ve traveled through.

Maggie:
It’s actually from Albany airport.

Rich:
Yeah,

Maggie:
It’s a hub.

Rich:
I’m yeah we started in the Chicago airport on our way to Portland

Maggie:
In

Rich:
April. But that’s it. I’ve never been outside of the airport. Yeah, Chicago.

Maggie:
Yeah. No I have I’ve been to Chicago like so we’re gonna in between visiting. My sister and Nathan we’re gonna stay one night in Chicago

Rich:
Cool.

Maggie:
So we’re just gonna actually I think we’re gonna go to I don’t know if we put the tickets yet, but we’re going to this. I don’t know what it’s called because Brandon just to kind of describe it to me. He’s like does this sound fun to you like yeah, that sounds really fun. It’s this small theater type performance where the audience is like surrounded by the stage, and I think it’s called drunk theater and there’s five actors. Or there’s like a handful of actors and before the show, one of the actors takes five shots. And so they have to go then

Rich:
Just one one only one on earth

Maggie:
And the whole the whole show the other actors are trying to keep people. On tack trying to get that drunk person on task. It’s supposed to be really funny.

Rich:
That is nutty.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
I’ve never heard of that.

Maggie:
I’ll let you know how it is.

Rich:
Somehow you guys would I’m not surprised that you guys would find that.

Maggie:
He’s like there’s a sound interesting and I’m like, yeah, it sounds really funny.

Rich:
Wow. I wonder like I mean, I don’t drink that much. So I don’t know how drunk someone can really get

Maggie:
Okay, just to do that, but If I had five shots. I would be what they call crap-faced drunk like I I that’s a lot for me at once

Rich:
Sure so

Maggie:
That person’s gonna have five drinks. Right right in a row right now the show I usually on a good day. Like if I’m doing like the soup stroll or the wing walk. I’ll spread my five drinks throughout like eight hours right

Rich:
Where you’re walking and

Maggie:
We’re walking and eating sometime. That’s me though. I’m a lightweight, so I don’t handle alcohol pretty easily.

Rich:
Yeah. I’ve I’ve never been drunk so believe it or not. I don’t know. So that’s why I don’t know what it would take or Or how that would feel but

Maggie:
How many

Rich:
I’m sure if you’re doing that you probably are a little practice at it.

Maggie:
How many time have you ever had more than one drink?

Rich:
Uh, yeah like a sitting

Maggie:
Have you ever felt like the buzz of alcohol?

Rich:
Yeah. I’m yeah. I mean I think of

Maggie:
Like the Happy

Rich:
I’ve never had my like

Maggie:
Inhibitions.

Rich:
Yes, I’ve never been affected to the degree that I had. a real sense of it affecting my behavior or anything about me, but I have felt that edge where it’s like if

Maggie:
If you had one more,

Rich:
I like usually when I hit when I when I It’s a distinct feeling that I know is the effect of alcohol. So then I’m like I better eat something or yeah a little slower. It’s usually like if I’m drinking if I have to start my drink before

Maggie:
Even my generous, I’m really a teacher teacher even when you’re a rebellious teenager. You never got drunk. Yeah,

Rich:
So believe it or not. I was first of all not that rebellious, but I did have just a phase in my life where I was just doing what I wanted. But the thing was that when I was a kid when I was a young kid like fifth grade. My friend my best friend his parents were alcoholics. So I decided at a very young age that I was never going to have a drink or do drugs. And I like made this pact with my friend, right? And we agreed because like it was his parents they were I and I so I didn’t grow up around like my parents were basically done drinking by the time I was around by the time I was born so they grow up with my parents drinking. And all the people around me like my friends parents growing up. They were all like basically alcohol abusers. And so I just that’s all I really saw of of it. And so I decided from a pretty young age that I didn’t want to be the kind of older person. whose mind and like life had been affected by alcohol now, I didn’t know the difference between enjoying a drink.

Maggie:
Mm-hmm

Rich:
For the sake of it and having this lifestyle of drunkenness. Like there’s there’s a pretty clear difference to me. But so I made that decision from a young age. And so I kind of kept that conviction and kept that morality. Morale you can like it. Honestly, it wasn’t really it was just it was just a personal choice based on the kind of life. The kind of person I wanted to be when I got older. I knew somehow that that I had to make the decision then sort of preserve that that brain capacity. Yeah

Maggie:
Your liver

Rich:
Moving forward. I mean it was even about like that side of the house. It was really all about my mind. So, I don’t know. I look back on that. I find that really interesting. I made that decision. So young. Like I didn’t have you know, you’ve heard me talk about my face and whatever but I I haven’t it wasn’t rooted in that because that wasn’t such a big part of my life at that time and it wasn’t like my parents. I didn’t really grow up super strict, you know, so it’s not like the choice wouldn’t have been there wasn’t like I wasn’t hanging out with friends who were drinking. In high school and all that kind of thing. Like I all my friends did that stuff as we got older and I was the judgmental friend who judged them for doing those things, but I was also not like straight edge which was the other flip side when I was yeah growing up, you know late

Maggie:
The

Rich:
Late 2000s there.

Maggie:
Oh, yeah, I know.

Rich:
And actually the mid-2000s. So I was like I was like in the middle I was a kid who didn’t do all this stuff but then I was not like hardcore enough to claim Edge as they used to say. I mean, I was hanging out with the with the mallrat kids who would like take giant Sharpies like thick Sharpies and draw x’s on the back of their hands. You know, it’s a represent straight edge. Did you know what I’m talking about? Did you see that?

Maggie:
I had a big crush on a straight guy in college

Rich:
In college. Yeah right on. Yeah, that’s funny. Did he have accidents

Maggie:
And he had a whole arm sleeve of tattoo. That’s just

Rich:
Like to be like X. X Rich X, you know, like they’re mice but yes and all that kind of stuff and I didn’t really like this in a hardcore. I skateboarded. So like there was some commonality and and I was in a band myself not a hardcore band, but just like in a band and so there was like the nuff of the commonality and I I resonated like with those guys but I wasn’t cool enough for like violence enough often. There was like family

Maggie:
He was in a screamo band too. It was like, yeah. I know that whole thing so

Rich:
Funny

Maggie:
Big big Crush.

Rich:
But anyway, so I didn’t it’s not like I was that way either. I just kind of had made this decision and largely I stuck to that actually didn’t have my first drink until I was 24 Where I was happily married secure in life pretty secure. My identity had my you know by then I was a spiritual person. It’ll be like a with a you know, a Christian and so funny enough. It was all the things that like You wouldn’t think would be conducive to. Oh, let me start drinking.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
You know depending on your views or your background or just stereotypes, but As like now I’m married. I’m not trying to I’m not so it wasn’t until I was like in a secure place in life where I knew it wasn’t gonna be a temptation to abuse. that I decided I could actually

Maggie:
It’s interesting. That’s really really interesting.

Rich:
And so from 24 until now not even 10 years. I’ve I don’t drink that much I mean you know, I have one drink when I’m hanging out with you guys like and it’s it’s like a beer or whatever drink Brandon is mixing up but But I’ve never but yeah, so I’ve never been drunk in that time.

Maggie:
Interesting. Well, I grew up in it. Very extremely strict conservative household, but my parents drank wine.

Rich:
Oh, yeah

Maggie:
Around the holidays. And before I turn 21, like even when I was like a young teenager. I would get we’d all get her a little wine glasses and like we would get like this much and I’m holding up like an inch between my thumb and my fingertip like we would get a little bit of wine a little taste of wine. And then as we got older and older like even before I went to college like we were allowed to have like a kid’s glass, you know like a moderate amount and so alcohol was never oh, my dad also drank like Birch Beer. Which I refuse to try but

Rich:
That’s just like soda, right?

Maggie:
No, it was alcoholic interesting. Um, it had some

Rich:
Old-fashioned

Maggie:
Virtual. Yeah old-fashioned Birch Beer

Rich:
Nice.

Maggie:
It was like somebody’s Homebrew, you know, like from like the Backwoods somewhere.

Rich:
Who like Birch?

Maggie:
Yeah for sure.

Rich:
Moonshine

Maggie:
So like I wasn’t like Like I was like getting drunk with my family, but it was like they were it wasn’t a taboo thing. I think in my house.

Rich:
Yeah, I think that makes

Maggie:
I think that’s why I have a healthy relationship with alcohol today because it wasn’t ever like a forbidden thing. Yeah,

Rich:
Not forbidden and not abused right? You saw it in a healthy light and That’s good. You know that’s that’s the kind of a rare scenario. I didn’t see it that way. But then when I find

Maggie:
A drama about my childhood, I’m happy to hear that actually knowing how conservative things can be. Yes.

Rich:
Yeah that can go different ways. So cool

Maggie:
Episode 18 started off way different than what I was

Rich:
Then we thought

Maggie:
It would be.

Rich:
Hey, you know what? Sometimes you got to just talk about it. Talk it out.

Maggie:
Yeah, totally

Rich:
Go the flow.

Maggie:
Sure. Well, this is episode 18 if you made it, that’s these this far into this episode.

Rich:
Good little Vibe. Check there.

Maggie:
Good vibe Tech. Yeah. Chill Vibes one would say

Rich:
TJ and Abby have been working at the shop lately and they’ve been texting me or talking to me both kind of independently about like I don’t

Maggie:
Did I say this last time actually, I can’t remember if I said this well,

Rich:
I’ve just been thinking about it. I was I worked at the shop this this morning. my one day a week and And since he generous we’re just laughing about this because we used to have this sign that said Chill Vibes only.

Maggie:
Yep,

Rich:
And it would hang like just above the register almost like over our shoulder almost if you’re like looking at us. There’s a sign when you walk into the front door. This is down the street before we moved we had the sign so I was only and then when we opened the second store I had that sign up because it was like our it was like Chill Vibes like represents one the kind of feeling that we like to invoke at story and to evoke and so the music reflects that we’ve always had what we call chill hop Lo-Fi Jazzy hip hop sort of Style music, but most frequently called chill out. And so that kind of sets the tone for how it is a story and we’ve always wanted it that way and I’ve always liked that like in the beginning the early days. I was playing that music it would get so hectic in there when we were new and we were easily overwhelmed our systems weren’t in place Etc and we were like really busy because people were checking us out and I would I would like be in this busy moment and then I would sort of be like in the in the zone but then the chillhop music would just come like wafting over the over the bar and I would hear it and it just like recenter me. And so that’s just always been our like our our ethos and we say Chill Vibes only. and lately Feels Like the Way teachers been putting it it’s like we got some unhinged Vibes. Oh, he’s like dude. We’re the fires are just unhinged these days. And yeah, we’ve been laughing about that. Yeah, that’s just been stuff. That’s like so the other thing was like we when we say Chill Vibes it’s for us but it’s also for like the guests. Okay, and I’ve been thinking about this because I don’t I mean we like that as our motto because to me it’s a statement. Okay. It’s a statement about our commitment to you it means hey look we’re doing our best because that’s who we are and that’s what we want to do for you. We commit to giving you our best but the Vibes they’re chill. So if we’re like can’t do it any faster for you. You got to be cool and if we mess it up, we’ll make it right. But like we’re just chilling. Okay, there’s no need to get upset our hours. They are what they are dude. It’s not because we don’t want to give you more hours. It’s because these are the hours we can sustain and we can afford.

Maggie:
Well somebody complaining about the hours.

Rich:
Yes. Somebody was complaining about the hours and that’s the number one thing that came back to me and I found a funny because first of all Abby mentioned that someone was complaining about them, but then TJ and

Maggie:
They’re not long enough. Sorry,

Rich:
Well, I don’t know I I guess so. Yes. Yes, they’re not always Monday to not collate enough for them. I think this person is like a

Maggie:
Okay

Rich:
A teacher or something and then you know, so they can only come sort of in the evening and our hours fluctuate a lot. For various reasons. Okay seasons of life largely seasons of Life. Yeah, and when we’re owner operated owner managed including Abby at this point, it’s like we’re gonna be here but we’re also gonna live here if we don’t be careful about this because our Revenue doesn’t sustain. Like an opener and a closer that isn’t someone who owns the business. And that’s just the reality of it. So what we’ve done is we’ve Shrunk The Hours we’ve limited the days so that some of us can go home at night and not sleep on the bench in the shop. Or whatever. Else happens has a result.

Maggie:
So

Rich:
Anyway,

Maggie:
That’s

Rich:
Just one thing though. So I was trying to like get pulled more out of TJ. I was like you got to tell me because they were both texting me on the same day the other day and I was like sounds like a story but you’ll have to tell me a person and then he’s like no just like in general and TJ, especially if you know him and I know you do he’s like Just really? Embodies the chill Vibe mindset, you know. He’s that kind of guy and because of his like the things he’s talked about like anxiety and just his the way his mind works. You know, the chillness is I think an asset to our business to our working environment for people like TJ, and and for me, you know for any of us and the point I’m trying to make is like We all gotta chill out. All right. Yeah, The Vibes are getting unhinged.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
And And it just give me such I had more specific stuff to think about lately. So why frankly?

Maggie:
Dang,

Rich:
I actually you know, it was funny. There’s this one. Okay, not today. I’m not to talk about speaker. I almost did think about that. I almost

Maggie:
Came right now. Please call him right?

Rich:
Oh my gosh,

Maggie:
It doesn’t work. We’ll cut it out of the episode. This

Rich:
Is really

Maggie:
Crazy. What we’ll cut it out if it doesn’t work then TJ

Rich:
Real time.

Maggie:
Just cut this out.

Rich:
What are we doing? We’re just put them on speaker. Are we tell him? He’s on the pot or we’re just gonna no. No, we’re just gonna talk to him about it. Chill Vibes. Let’s not tell

Maggie:
Them. Let’s not tell them. He’ll find out what he

Rich:
Might he might not answer.

Maggie:
Come on, we don’t want to play having them.

Rich:
Hey, bro. I just wondering if you had a minute to chat. Yeah, what’s up? No, nothing big. I’m just talking with Maggie and

Maggie:
Hey TJ.

Rich:
We are just kind of like laughing about the Chill Vibes. unhinged Vibes conversation that you know, I’ve been having

Maggie:
I really want to hear the story

Rich:
And Maggie was like looking for specifics and I also was Not sure. So I just wanted to know if you could give us some commentary on. The unhinged

Maggie:
And

Rich:
Don’t name. So maybe don’t name any names but I I revolves around. the environment in which the business is I guess you know like like the whole Chill Vibes concept is like yo come in here to our place of business. Respect our recipes respect our staff. Respect how long it takes us to make crafts? product You know stuff like that, you know, yeah, I actually really love that. You’re saying that that’s great. Yeah and unhinged Vibes is sort of like people not only not following those certain things that I just mentioned but also not following common in the decency

Maggie:
Like you give an example

Rich:
In just sort of being like weird in general like like in in this this is weird. So I don’t know if this is like podcast worthy but like like moaning randomly all the time. Okay that you’re going to the bathroom. Yeah, they’re gonna get diabetes from eating a pastry. You know,

Maggie:
Oh no is this the couple

Rich:
The same person in Rich knows who I’m talking about? I do. It’s not a couple funny, you know. And then it’s stuff like oh, can you do this really weird miraculous thing to my drink that I got in Italy? And and we’re just like what like no like like you came here. We have menus posted. Yeah

Maggie:
The

Rich:
Menu and we can offer you something that we are proud to serve to you. You know.

Maggie:
Are you calling me out TJ?

Rich:
Oh Maggie’s bringing the onions extremely decent you ask us to not add syrup to a drink. That’s fine.

Maggie:
Okay,

Rich:
That’s fine. Like oh don’t add this one thing that you put together for a drink. Yeah totally but if you want Eight, like double shots of espresso and you want them like all Cubano and you want it breve it um on ice but also steamed. I don’t know. It’s it’s weird things that I feel like breast is uniquely experienced that people want done to their Beverages and food. Sometimes that’s just like Like at a certain point you have to draw the line and unhinged Vibes occur. When I I feel like the staff is so kind of the point where we don’t necessarily draw that line at times. Um, there have been times where we’ve moved the line for a very reasonable. Um reason in like like a large latte, it’s a code. It took a while for people to break down that wall. Yeah, you know, I was pretty firm on the one size only. Yeah, dude Arthur is this not own any sort of large latte right that comes in both two story and Arthurs if you remember Pat and I’m only naming a name because this isn’t a negative thing.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
He he comes in for a large story read this book, you know, he’s great guy really keeps to himself super cool dude. He comes in Arthur. Yo, you’re here too. He’s like you guys have large Lots here because you saw the 16 oz cup that we offer for like trip coffee and tea and I’m like, no actually we don’t do a large day here like, oh, okay word, you know. Yeah, like that’s it. But you know, it’s yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s inconveniences. and

Maggie:
Minor inconveniences It’s it’s like

Rich:
I don’t know if it’s a minorness of it. I think it’s the majorness of Us times like

Maggie:
Making a mountain out of a molehill.

Rich:
Well clean up later on after you. It it all revolves out of

Maggie:
Ignorant

Rich:
That literally happened this morning. Oh man, it happened this morning and I actually was pretty upset at it because that was a straight-up why I I he stole from us, but that’s that’s besides the point unhinged Vibes to to too long didn’t read it I guess. Occurs when the guests of the shop have crossed the boundaries set by the shop and the staff of the shop. that whether it’s intentional or not, like like whether it’s either ignorance or just them being like mean or like a terrible person like what whether it’s intentional or not. They’ve still cross that boundary and that creates chaos to both the staff and sort of the environment of the shop. So interesting to think about

Maggie:
Very interesting. Thank you for giving examples.

Rich:
That way too like I I’ve never heard any complaints but like I’m sure like if I’m sitting at a coffee shop and this dude is like moaning talking about diabetes and asking that he’s going to the bathroom every other minute.

Maggie:
I think I know you’re talking about

Rich:
I want to see here and read my book, you know. Yeah. I came here for Chill Vibes. This is an escape. This is like craft. This is I’m treating myself to a really nice thing. You know, that’s that’s what we’re doing this for. This is The Human Experience bro. Like we’re on this Earth to do what drink coffee meet people. You know, like in enjoy what time we have left on this planet, you know and an inch Vibes it really throws a wrench in that.

Maggie:
Huh?

Rich:
I have so many thoughts

Maggie:
Hot take

Rich:
I think we got to get you on the Pod bro, and and rehash some of this in the near future real quick last question that how would you like to find Chill Vibes? Maybe you already did forgive me. If you already kind of said your version of that. But when we say Chill Vibes only like I I guess like descriptive words, Chill Vibes is like love it first sight. It’s like rom-com like you met this person and everything just sets right in the place. You don’t have to put any puzzle pieces together you walk in the door. You order your drink it comes out Flawless exactly what you wanted and you sit there and just enjoy your time. It gives you the exact recuperation from your life that you need it. You know Chill Vibes is also. Not recuperation for the staff. It’s oh this person that I really like like this guest that I’m like buddies with their regular they come in the breath of fresh air band dude. I’m I’m naming names because Ben’s great Ben walks in and I’m like he also comes in right after this person. I I am sort of crap on a little bit he comes around the same time as this person and I’m like, then you just saved my life. I can have a great conversation with you. You literally just order a coffee with a lot of milk like it’s not a complicated drink, you know, Chill Vibes are just acceptance of humanity, you know, like we accept That people are trying the hardest we accept that people might make little mistakes. We accept that you might be out of a certain flavor of tea. We accept all of that because we recognize the humanity of each other and we recognize the true purpose of why we’re here to do what we’re here for and we’re not Gonna try to get in each other’s way and if we’re going to get in each other’s way on accident that we communicate that politely we care about each other. You know, it’s it’s like camaraderie. It’s it’s It’s I don’t know.

Maggie:
That was beautiful. Really rich is tearing up over here.

Rich:
I am truly poetic. Wow, that’s awesome, bro. Thank you for sharing that. Chris

Maggie:
You should also

Rich:
Amazing. Ask Abby the same question. I think Abby would have some really great things to say about it. Hey, dude. All right. Well, I’m not calling her but

Maggie:
Yeah, yeah,

Rich:
But Abby and I have also talked quite a bit about chill versus unhinged Vibes. So definitely reach out. It’s almost like it’s appropriate. Yeah. Wow. Well, that’s good. You were like rehearsed for this. I’m just a great brain descriptive person. This is why I’m a writer and we love you for it word. Well, that’s very helpful to clear it up actually, so yeah, cool. Thanks, man.

Maggie:
Thanks CJ.

Rich:
Yeah. No problem. Yeah. All right. Well, we’ll let you go. All right. Love you,

Maggie:
Jay.

Rich:
Bye.

Maggie:
Dude, that was beautiful. That was so amazing. Like were you legitimately like about to tear up?

Rich:
I

Maggie:
You look like you’re about to have like I’m not like listening. I

Rich:
Know well, I don’t think that’s a function of my emotional state but as much as maybe my allergies, but okay. Wow, so many things

Maggie:
That’s just posture reflect real quick.

Rich:
First of all, we’re gonna tell him later on that was he was on the pod. I wonder if he

Maggie:
Wonders in it. I feel like you wouldn’t curse.

Rich:
No,

Maggie:
So,

Rich:
I don’t think he doesn’t curse that much anyway. Okay. All right, but you heard what he’s saying? Yeah in relation to what I said before.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
One thing I want to call out and this is not even really like a call out. he didn’t know he was being recorded ultimately so in terms of like I don’t want this to come awfully work complaining is I guess where I’m coming because ultimately Chill Vibes is not meant to be a license. for complaining on the part of owners or staff of of a company or like a workplace right? I don’t actually advocate. And I don’t think TJ would either you know, so that’s why I’d be interesting of a follow-up conversation actually on the mics and talk through this stuff because it’s kind of in line with the principles of hospitality thing that we were talking about before you know, which is the conversation we all shared. where we said hospitality is going out of your way for someone. It’s it’s a combinating them almost Beyond Reason sometimes and I think with some of what teachers said could be construed as like complaining or not wanting to go that far and I don’t think he intended that at all and knowing the particular person he’s talking about we’re talking about it. We’re talking about a regular. Daily guess of our shop who? is a little rude and and even this even talking like this way, it’s like it’s like you have to actually have to think about whether It’s even appropriate, you know, yeah how to how to really be fair to a person like this because at the end of the day we run a coffee shop we run a business.

Maggie:
And

Rich:
We are inviting. The public.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
And we’re trying to say everyone is welcome. And we’re trying to say we genuinely appreciate. our guests Are people as guests we want to treat them well, and I think that okay cool. So I think that What TJ was saying and where he was going and what he said about Chill Vibes toward the end and kind of what I said before is Our intention is to do right by everyone. We want to have a place that’s welcoming to everyone we want to be the kinds of people who can and are willing to accommodate everyone and it makes it harder to do that. When one person sort of gets out of the misses the program they’re like aren’t with the program on that for whatever reason and so if someone comes in You know if you see it once a week once a month once a year, which is how it used to be for us. We felt like we would never had a lot of issues things would come up kind of randomly. But then when you get like a daily situation or you just things kind of happen one after another and it feels like things are piling on then that starts to stand out and it starts to throw off the vibe. So I think that that’s where we’re coming from here. I ultimately don’t think TJ is complaining. I’m not trying to sound like I’m complaining we all know this particular person that we’re we’re referencing as far as like in the shop and they definitely Are probably well meaning? I and and there there’s even something to be said for like I don’t know how to be sensitive about this like this particular person. I think requires some sensitivity in terms of how they are. interpreted And so we are you know, we try to make allowances is where I guess we’re going but that just it’s the kind of thing that as Baristas it adds. It adds to your workload and It comes with the territory. So this is what I’m trying to say. I’m trying to say we kind of know what we signed up for. We’re not trying to be. Like have Illusions about what we sign up for by opening a public business to serve anyone and everyone off of the street, you know. I don’t know who might come to the door where we’re like we’re here for it. But what we appreciate and try to set the tone for is it kind of welcoming? Welcoming like like TJ was saying

Maggie:
I like how TJ said it’s love at first sight. That was so sweet.

Rich:
Yeah, that was nice.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
And then he yeah and I like where he went from there. Yeah,

Maggie:
So

Rich:
I don’t I’m just trying I feel like I’m trying to cover our tracks right because I’m like, okay this can feel like a lot of different ways and someone

Maggie:
I think for for our audience.

Rich:
I’m also trying to be unfiltered.

Maggie:
I know but over explain it. I think people know the true your true vibe is Chill.

Rich:
Well, I hope so. I hope so.

Maggie:
There’s there’s no like mean spirited or or Any bad will or

Rich:
Intense? So, okay. Thank you. Thanks for saying

Maggie:
We know that.

Rich:
Thank you. I think that’s the whole thing about children.

Maggie:
No,

Rich:
Chill Vibes is like we want to give you A chill experience like the best experience. We want to give you. A loving friendly welcoming accommodating experience and

Maggie:
You do

Rich:
And we’re happy to and I think that’s the other thing. I wanted to kind of I’m trying to like over explain it a little bit is like we’re actually happy to make a drink that’s a little different, you know, if you’re exploring things or if you’re if you’re interested in in different takes but at the other on the other side is like Chill Vibes, like hey, we know what we’re doing and you to try we want you to trust that we know we’re doing like we’ve all these recipes are trying true when we make a small lot today with a double shot would make a large. I’ll take the quad shot when we only put this much flavor syrup in there like we know kind of how where we’re coming from because we’ve thought through that stuff and we’ve tasted it and tested it and we respond to feedback so so there’s there’s like that starting point and then we try to go where you want it where you need to go with your customization from there. So, you know, I it’s like a whole it’s a whole conversation. I don’t want to oversize I don’t want to explain it.

Maggie:
Yeah. It’s all good.

Rich:
This is a meals I was thinking about We’re not gonna get into this right now, but like the whole cancel culture thing. I’ve been thinking a lot about that because you have to be really careful sometimes and really sensitive about how you’re saying things. And that’s what I’m have that’s always like running as a script in the background in my mind. Sometimes.

Maggie:
Are you worried that you’re gonna get canceled?

Rich:
Well, I’m trying not to dude. It’s like a landmine out here sometimes.

Maggie:
I know, you

Rich:
Know. It’s rough.

Maggie:
Yeah, because

Rich:
It’s like what minions are you allowed to have and what opinions are allowed to share and and how easy is it to be misconstrued? That’s actually the real problem. It’s like I agree. It’s even less about my opinions. It’s more about how I have to

Maggie:
I I actually have reached a point in my life where like It’s not my responsibility how somebody interprets what I have to say.

Rich:
Or sort of is though kind of sometimes Maybe.

Maggie:
Like I know

Rich:
Is the Fallout can be Swift.

Maggie:
Right, but I know like I And I feel like you’re this way too. try to walk and act as humbly as possible. and not be like overtly mean or rude or I consider myself a very thoughtful person. If somebody takes something that I say the wrong way. And thinks that I have like bad intentions. And I know I don’t. That’s on them. if they just want to believe I have that intentions like you can’t control how people Perceive you you just can’t. so as long as you are going about your business your life in with humility and with good intentions and you have no malicious ill will for anybody or or in what you say? I think you’re good.

Rich:
Cool checks out. Yeah.

Maggie:
Well that took a turn

Rich:
Yeah, we don’t do it on that road right now, I I am interested in the conversation around cancel culture and how it relates to business but it is it is worth saying like

Maggie:
I think we probably disagree on some of these topics. So that should be an episode of its own.

Rich:
Around cancel culture well Yeah, well, that could be interesting conversation. Yeah.

Maggie:
And I went I’m not gonna disagree just to be Devil’s Advocate right actually have my own opinion. Yeah.

Rich:
I wonder what we I wonder what we would disagree on.

Maggie:
Wow. Yeah,

Rich:
Since then we were gonna talk about something completely different today

Maggie:
I know

Rich:
Is even worth getting into

Maggie:
I think so we have like a little bit of time or do you want to talk about it in depth more in depth? I don’t

Rich:
Know. I mean, yeah, it’s

Maggie:
It’s an ongoing conversation. So

Rich:
It’s ongoing it’s affecting us at this very moment

Maggie:
Work life balance.

Rich:
Yeah the difficulty of balancing. family and like marriage and relationships with business and work

Maggie:
Yeah, and

Rich:
It is currently. 9:21 pm. Yep, as we discussed you’re going on this vacation. So we’re I was like we said in other words we had to we had to fit in an extra recording session. And

Maggie:
What were you doing right before you came?

Rich:
And I said I can probably come over I can probably Meet up meet up after like Oliver’s. bedtime he does bath and then bottle and then and that’s around seven. So then I was like well, we’ll shoot for eight. And then that always you know is always a few minutes getting going so but just like, you know having to run that by Christine and then but it’s not just this this is like one example, but all week long like last night. I got home at 10:00 pm when I thought I could leave where I was by 9 pm. Because I was trying to set up a new espresso. I was trying to set up the espresso machine that I got in the in the new place that I’m working and Which I’ll definitely talk about sometime very soon

Maggie:
Great because we need an update on the road trip you that espresso machine. They took a road trip to go get yeah.

Rich:
Well, here’s the update. It’s currently firing two out of three of the groups.

Maggie:
Okay?

Rich:
So I got it set up yesterday. TJ actually came over and helped me move it from story to its new home. And I got it plugged in and I had to like do this whole run around to figure out how to wire up the pump because it’s not as straightforward as as it should be and I couldn’t find it straightforward image and it didn’t have a reference photo of my own from storied to look at. So long story short, I was like it seemed like only two of the three things we’re working. The groups the part where the espresso is made where the water is is a comes through. through the coffee and I bought this you know, I got this three group machine Enzo only two of them are working and it’s like the one on the right that isn’t so I figured okay, maybe about wired it up wrong, maybe did wrong but then today I went back. I got all the info. I thought I needed. Checked everything checked a couple other things that I thought could have been a problematic and it’s just still wasn’t working. So I was like, okay, I did it right something’s wrong. with this third group So, oh, you know, it’s always something but like I left after bed last night after putting all the way down and I was like, I think I was like, I gotta go back to Fisher. believe we gotta go back to the place and and then I said I could probably leave by nine right because it was like eight something and then Naturally, it’s a whole project because of things not working. So then I’m like I get to leave there till and by that I still wasn’t even done. I just I know how to go and then tomorrow I’m like trying to set up a time with his accountant. for some stuff and just always something and You know. To struggle

Maggie:
It is I

Rich:
Something like feeling away at that this week.

Maggie:
Yeah, that’s

Rich:
All that’s really all there is

Maggie:
To say with you

Rich:
Or except there’s maybe a lot to say about it.

Maggie:
I am

Rich:
What do you think?

Maggie:
I have so much empathy for for that. I’m in it too 100% like similar similar like personal interpersonal but also like different business, you know,

Rich:
Right? I mean your eyes are crazy.

Maggie:
Yeah, and oftentimes, I think a question that I dislike hearing the most is how much time do you need or how much how long is this going to take because I never know how to accurately answer that because if I say if I predict that something’s going to take me 30 minutes. It might take me an hour and a half.

Rich:
Yeah,

Maggie:
You know,

Rich:
What are you saying that reference to

Maggie:
In reference to? Writing up an offer for a client. and because like writing up an offer for a client is a very simple thing but it’s not easy. Because it requires specific information. Numbers letters of pre-approval attorney information. I need a photograph of the deposit check. I need to double check and make sure all the dates are correct. Then I have to send it out for initials and signatures and then I have to like You know help people through that process if they’re if they’ve never used DocuSign before. and then once that’s completed I don’t just I take like big pride in sending my offers like very neat and buttoned up and put together. So I’m not just like sending the attachments in one email and saying like here’s the offer like I have a I have templates that I use to summarize like what exactly the offer is and the terms and the dates and the everything and I compile the offer into one PDF. So the person who receives it is not looking at 10 different attachments. and that takes a long time and it takes a lot of mental energy. And the logistics.

Rich:
Yeah imagine.

Maggie:
Each offer is different. So while I do have templates and I do have things that I can plug and play. every offer is different because every buyer is different. and the same goes for I listed a house recently and the owners were on vacation and so like they like trying to reach them for them to sign documents and in between like they’re availability my availability and it just ended up being like a game of tag. You’re it in order to get this paperwork signed. so yeah, it’s and in something that you think is going to take 30 minutes like Should only take 30 minutes if all the parts that are in play. Yeah, all the pieces are in place. But in reality is it’s like I’m dealing I’m at the mercy of other people sometimes and they’re availability.

Rich:
Yeah,

Maggie:
And that makes my time. run longer

Rich:
So it’s like how do you structure a life or like have a life around that you know, I don’t know how much I don’t know how much we’ve talked about this before but

Maggie:
It’s very difficult.

Rich:
I feel like this kind of bleeds in all the time.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
Probably, I mean, it’s got to

Maggie:
All the time for

Rich:
Small business owners.

Maggie:
Yeah, and I might have mentioned this on a previous episode but I would love to get to a point in my business where I’m not dependent on. Someone’s house someone’s someone’s off are getting accepted. Or someone’s house is being sold. I’m not dependent on that closing.

Rich:
For your living for

Maggie:
My living? Yeah, because that’s what real estate is

Rich:
Right.

Maggie:
Think about it. You know, it’s a commission-based income. That’s what sales is a lot of lot of people’s businesses are like that. They are dependent on someone purchasing a product, right?

Rich:
But I guess that’s what because that’s pretty much what business is

Maggie:
Right it is. so I guess that what I’m saying is like the I would love to be able to and maybe I’m comparing maybe I’m making the wrong comparison because even though you close your doors. And lock up at night like you’re still working late, right?

Rich:
Yes, that’s when the real work starts happening. The rest of it’s kind of easy, you know just run it run the system, but when you’re working Doors closed there’s no system for that that work.

Maggie:
Do you ever fantasize about like closing your business and getting like a nine to five?

Rich:
Oh my gosh. Don’t make me admit it on the mic. Yeah, I literally said to Christina what a downer episode. Yeah. Sorry.

Maggie:
I don’t think this is a downer,

Rich:
Right?

Maggie:
Yeah. I think this is interesting

Rich:
Real life did. I you know, I literally said to Christine this week. I was like, you know, I’ve really been thinking about well, okay. Yeah, I said it because I was thinking about it because of the struggle to balance my relationship.

Maggie:
Yeah

Rich:
And my family with

Maggie:
Mm-hmm

Rich:
With this business.

Maggie:
Yeah, so I was

Rich:
Like wondering if we should just

Maggie:
Once a week

Rich:
Close it up. but It’s not what I want and it’s funny because as soon as here’s the thing as soon as I say that or start thinking

Maggie:
It.

Rich:
Something happens or is there’s some spark that comes back and is like you got to keep going because there’s such a future here.

Maggie:
Yeah, so

Rich:
There’s just that like

Maggie:
Dial into your why

Rich:
There’s something about the passion that originally got you into it that if it’s still there still going I mean if if you can hang on that long like and you still feel some spark of that passion, that was the reason you got into it the first place and you can still draw some Hope from that. You might be on the right actually hundred. I think I hope because it keeps me going and I keeps you going well, just that that vision for a future where this thing works. You know, so there’s something about it. There’s something about the way it’s even if it’s a struggle now, it’s like there’s always and also this might be like the definition of of like delusional at the same time, so, I don’t know who that’s worth weighing but when there’s still a spark and like a vision for This thing can still work. I think that that’s ultimately An interesting fact, that’s there’s like this. There’s maybe more to it than then like I can feel right now, but but I think that ultimately is an encourage. There’s there’s something there that’s encouraged me to keep going. And that’s like what gets me and ultimately. Keeps excuse me, moving forward, you know, so then it just becomes a question of all, right. How do we just make it work? How do we be more fair to the family? How do we Rework things. How do we becomes a question of all right of commitment. I not even a question commitment. I’m committed we’re gonna keep going. Feeling weak. You know, I’m like should we just wrap it up? But that’s just like that’s just what you think and what you say. Yeah, you put that aside and you say no no. We gotta just make it work differently better and that might happen right away. And that’s like part of the struggle too. You gotta struggle through this time of all right now is the season or the family is is you know suffering a little bit but like we’re gonna we’re gonna feel that we’re gonna work through that we’re gonna say that’s not acceptable and we’re gonna ask ourselves what we can change tomorrow this week next week, like what needs to happen Okay, we look at the last month or I didn’t work the way you were doing it. Let’s reevaluate that and let’s do it differently next week and you just try to get it back on track. You try to make it better a little by little it’s kind of like it’s kind of like keeping espresso dialed but that’s a shout out to all the priests out there.

Maggie:
Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. I don’t think you would be a human being if you didn’t have those feelings and thoughts. Sure. And thanks

Rich:
For validating my Humanity.

Maggie:
Yeah. You must be exhausted.

Rich:
Right. Yeah, I sound exactly awesome. That’s why my eyes are watering.

Maggie:
Yeah, right, but I’m also like I know that someone listening is feeling the same way too rich. It’s not just you. It’s

Rich:
They can’t be that’s why I think about it.

Maggie:
That’s why we started

Rich:
That’s what we’re talking. That’s right. That’s right.

Maggie:
Like we know we’re not the only ones who feel this way like the whole reason House Coffee podcast exists is because we wanted to be that light in the dark and maybe someone listening is like feeling like they are their business or they’re creative ideas hopeless, but maybe just listening to our little struggle of where we’re at is like just helping that person not feel alone. That’s what we want. Right? Yeah.

Rich:
That’s that’s exactly that’s

Maggie:
Why we exist.

Rich:
That’s that’s so funny. I was just thinking about that too recently. Like we we had this purpose and starting this thing and and it would be worth revisiting and just kind of organically you got there without us even talking about it. But yeah, that’s so true. Go ahead.

Maggie:
I mean, where were you a year ago?

Rich:
Crying myself to sleep on the bench in story and I wasn’t right but I was sleeping

Maggie:
But like a year ago, you’re in a much different place today than you were a year ago a much better place. I would say. Right. Yeah.

Rich:
Yeah, I mean, so guess if you I guess it’s helpful to draw it out that long instead of saying month to month. I’m saying year over year. I’m doing incrementally better. Mentally. Yeah, and spiritually,

Maggie:
I mean are you doing what you love?

Rich:
I don’t know about that yet.

Maggie:
Okay, I mean that’s okay not to know. Yes, there’s no right. Okay.

Rich:
I’m I don’t love what I’m doing.

Maggie:
Okay,

Rich:
I don’t love what I’m doing. But that doesn’t mean I’m not doing what I love. I had to give myself a little pause right there, please explain. Well, I just mean that it’s not. The struggle makes it not like lovable sometimes

Maggie:
Right of course, but

Rich:
I’m I’m in business I’m learning. Which I love learning and I’m I’m incrementally getting and making things better. And so yes, I am. Doing things that I love. But I’m not loving a lot of what has to be true or is true right now. Because of the way it’s because of the way that’s happening. If that makes any sense.

Maggie:
Like but I don’t love the effect of having on your like relationships. Is that what you mean? Yeah for one. Okay

Rich:
For two like on my lifestyle.

Maggie:
Okay.

Rich:
I don’t want to have to go work after 8pm or even four or five PM.

Maggie:
Right? Right.

Rich:
I don’t have a job. That’s a nice Chef like it’s not I mean the coffee business. I’m supposed to be working mornings.

Maggie:
Right right,

Rich:
Or if I was a coffee roaster then mornings and afternoons. Or afternoons or are fine, you know. So I’m just saying

Maggie:
You’re figuring that I

Rich:
Love what I do in the sense that yes. I am running a business and I am Learning that process and I’m working with coworkers that I enjoy and we share in a work that we enjoy and we’re building a thing together and there’s so many things about business that are happening that we’re doing that. Yes. I’m I’m doing what I love. So I had to think about that because because I don’t love everything about it. but that doesn’t mean I’m not doing what I

Maggie:
Okay

Rich:
What I love and I think any of us who are doing this were we’re doing this because we love it in a sense. But sometimes we hate it. We don’t love things that are true about it. Right?

Maggie:
I

Rich:
Don’t

Maggie:
I

Rich:
So I’m doing what I love, but I don’t love what I do. but I also am engaged in this because I feel like or I have a plan to make it some so that eventually I’ll be doing what I love and loving what I do. But it’s just like in the process of getting to a place where you can say that you’re doing what you love more than anything else that you would say about it. I think sometimes you just have to suffer through. slog through like we’re gonna be not loving what we do for a little while.

Maggie:
For a season?

Rich:
Yeah. Everything happens for a season.

Maggie:
Yeah. new

Rich:
Tagline

Maggie:
New tagline

Rich:
Catching on my Instagram bio

Maggie:
Everything have

Rich:
Coming

Maggie:
Season. I think that’s the title of this episode.

Rich:
Okay.

Maggie:
I don’t know.

Rich:
Yeah, I could be I don’t have anyone. I don’t have a better one.

Maggie:
Yeah.

Rich:
At least you like I mean, you know, that’s what you on the spot. You know, you said everyone but Like Brandon, you and Brandon. I mean keeping it. You know, you guys like have date night at least right? You

Maggie:
Have date night.

Rich:
See your stories from that.

Maggie:
Yeah, we do it weekly. Yeah, and that’s something that has like actually really helped. Yeah our relationship because Brandon gets very hyper focused on our home renovation. And sometimes like so we’ve been renovating our home since 2014. We bought our home

Rich:
But who’s counting?

Maggie:
Well, I’m just trying to put it at a reference Right audience, you know, if it’s the first time listening like we bought our house in 2014 and gutted it the day after we bought it and It’s just it’s been rough because we lived in the upstairs of our home for five years with. Which basically was like a little studio apartment and we had a kitchen in a closet. It was just a hot plate and a microwave and a toaster oven floor plates four cups four spoons four Forks four knives. And we and we did our dishes in like a laundry. Slop sink.

Rich:
It was a simpler time.

Maggie:
It was a simpler time. And now we’re put on this like monstrosity of an addition that we’re doing ourselves. And it just I said I made Brandon wanted to make this addition and you know, I agree to it. Obviously it’s not like he went through with it and we don’t discuss it. It’s just like Brandon just loves building bigger and better things and so I agreed to it and like signed off on it literally because like now we’ve learned from the first go around that like, I’m like it’s kind of that’s mentioned this before how like when we make changes to things like He would like people like oh, what do you think of this idea? I’m like, oh, I think that’s great and him hearing me say, oh, that’s great. He took that as like, okay, that’s the change and he would just make the change and I’d be like, what did you do when he’s like, oh you said it was great and I was like I said, it was great, but I didn’t say make the change so that like doing that hundreds of times throughout the process of like the first renovation. Now, we have like a sign off where he’s like presents like the changes or the plans to me and he’s like will you sign off on this and all like initial it

Rich:
That’s amazing.

Maggie:
So

Rich:
What a system

Maggie:
It’s just like it’s it’s sounds like super official but it’s more like okay. This is what we agree to so actually there’s a picture of the drawing of what our addition would look like on like a piece of like scrap like notepad paper.

Rich:
Sure.

Maggie:
And he like drew it up. And he’s like this is kind of what I’m thinking and I looked at it and I was like, let me see that pen and I initialed it circled my initials and that’s on our refrigerator. Right?

Rich:
That’s special.

Maggie:
It’s official. So that’s kind of like what we like did our like vision for the addition on anyways, what was I saying fridge official? Oh my gosh. I don’t even I lost my

Rich:
Well you were talking about how branding yeah hyper focused on.

Maggie:
Oh, yeah date night, so I didn’t know. Yes, so I agreed to the scope of the addition that I didn’t need to be like a worker because I’m like, I don’t want to be coming home from work every day and like working on the house. Like that’s what we call like. Oh, we’re gonna be doing this weekend. We’re working on the house. Yeah. so and I said, you know, we need some balance with renovation time and like our like connecting time. So we have our Thursday night date night in the calendar every week and that has helped significantly because it just helps us just just chat like more than half the time we’re talking about the addition, but at least we’re like out of the house away from distractions, and we’re just sort of just like Enjoying our friend Joe who’s bartending not my Joe who helps me. Stay Joe with the bartender. And he he’s more than a bartender. He’s amazing Joe. anyway

Rich:
Got it. Well, I just I shot that out because I think it’s cool. It stands out. You know, you’re you often you post just a simple story of your drink.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
And tag the location. And so and you always go to the same spot right

Maggie:
On Yates.

Rich:
You know, that’s the kind of thing. I think you have to do. That’s routine and be intentional. Yeah and have building it in. and making it a routine like I’m sure it helps break things up and keeps you centered on that you can set the expectation for it. Yeah, unfortunately like we don’t really have anything like that right now. I don’t even know if we really ever have we try to keep Sundays free I guess but I’ve been working like a lot of Sundays for a while, you know. Oh

Maggie:
Really? Yeah.

Rich:
With the new job. I’m trying to Work as few Sundays or as few hours on a Sunday as I can. I don’t really have to Unless I’m like cover like if someone’s out or unavailable then. Which was true the last well, I guess two weeks ago. I was out and then the so I didn’t work Sunday, but last week I was there till like 1 I think and maybe two weeks before that. And others and I think it was. If it’s like a holiday weekend, you know, whatever it is. There’s reasons. Why

Maggie:
You the Fourth of July party

Rich:
Yeah, well that was those Saturday night, I think. Right. Yeah, then I ended then that next Sunday. I think was just like another busy today. I don’t even know. Yeah when I’m trying not to work Sundays, so we’re trying to keep that open, you know and and but yeah pointers Point made. is tough it’s tough to do and I think it can take a toll and that’s why I’m thinking about is like you just know you can tell when like your partner or the people around you are affected by your absence or The you know having to affected by your absence because they had to do more of like the work around the house or or whatever or just like loneliness Creeps in and just like there’s a lot of things that that can go wrong. and you become vulnerable to in your relationships as a result of being too focused on

Maggie:
Work

Rich:
On work, right? And and you hear this a lot with people who are dedicated their careers. or or like even if it’s a good or well-intentioned thing right even here about this like like with Like church, I think this happens a lot and then the church world. You know what ironically right? It’s like like pastor’s families often end up being

Maggie:
Susceptible just

Rich:
Like yeah like I mean there’s a lot of variables there but there’s a lot of pressure on that family typically and and then and they feel so committed to that that group of people because that’s like they’re calling and and their job and and so then you gotta but you got to set those boundaries. So I think that’s just creeps in everywhere.

Maggie:
Yeah if

Rich:
You’re committed to If you feel like like you’re stuck, that’s what I guess. I when I fantasize about a nine to five which then I would just be stuck doing a nine to five job, but at least I would know my hours. That’s what I found out about just the predictability of it and seeing in the income totally paying the bills imagine. But so anyway, yeah, that’s that’s like So I got myself out of track saying that. You get the point

Maggie:
I get the point you get the point. Yeah.

Rich:
Is because the I think about doing stuff like that because it gets I get thinking about how I don’t want to be stuck. Doing something that doesn’t that that sometimes feels like it’s not gonna go anywhere.

Maggie:
Yeah.

Rich:
And sometimes business can feel like it’s not going to go anywhere or at least to get it somewhere would require just so much of me that it’s like is it even really worth it in the long run? and

Maggie:
The questions.

Rich:
These are the questions dude.

Maggie:
We ask ourselves.

Rich:
There’s not easy answers.

Maggie:
No, but that is the reality right but that’s just the reality.

Rich:
Yeah, and

Maggie:
I’m not saying that we have the answers. but I think now would be a good time to Turn the microphone over to our audience to our listeners like see where they’re at and see if they have any. words of wisdom or advice or Encouragement for us or like our broader audience. I really believe there’s power in community. And that is another reason going back to why we’re starting why we started this whole thing was so we can create those connections to other people. Yeah.

Rich:
Yeah, it’d be good to hear how other folks experiencing these things because we like we know it’s common it’s who knows is a common struggle. I mean you see the effects of this all over the place. all time and you know people who are resident through this and and I’m sure that people listening are doing that. So yeah, I mean we welcome your stories.

Maggie:
Yep

Rich:
And experiences there. How do you cope?

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
Because I feel like that’s what we’re trying to do. And how have you adjusted to different? ways of life that honor relation relational connections and like what you have to do in your business

Maggie:
Totally. one thing that would make House Coffee podcast less lonely is if our listeners subscribed

Rich:
Shameless plug

Maggie:
All you do is just hit that little plus button, huh? And then you’re subscribe. We can create more amazing encouraging content just like this.

Rich:
It already first. well You’re not wrong.

Maggie:
We

Rich:
Do appreciate the listeners and the feedback and the stories and the encouragement and I don’t know if we’ve got any questions, but hey, we’d appreciate those too. So

Maggie:
Totally

Rich:
Hit us up. well, that’s

Maggie:
A wrapper right

Rich:
Now this cover a couple different Bases there, but you know, sometimes you gotta do the vibe check.

Maggie:
How do the vibe checks?

Rich:
Yeah, I think we think good success on this. So for sure we will catch you

Maggie:
Soon.

Rich:
Bye later.