4: The Enneagram: Love it? Or is it Too Played Out?

Intro:
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Maggie:
Hey Maggie, welcome to House Coffee.

Rich:
Yeah, welcome back. Welcome back today on House Coffee podcasts.

Maggie:
We have a guest in the studio.

Rich:
We do. Yeah. Hi, TJ.

Maggie:
Hey, TJ,

Rich:
You’ll be able to hear him very well because we didn’t have a mic that we could hook him up with but TJ is in the studio with us helping us mix and McMaster.

Maggie:
Yes. Yeah. His name is Mick math. All right you that oh, what did I give it away soon.

Rich:
I was just about to say it.

Maggie:
Oh

Rich:
Yeah, like

Maggie:
How perfect of a last name for someone who studying audio so

Rich:
True. And he’s doing a great job for us. We appreciate you TJ. He’s the best in the future. We’re gonna have him on the show with us because he’s sort of building a business too. He’s an audio engineer. He’s a musician. He is a storied employee in the Summers and and you know, he came to us a couple years back and just kind of in and out whenever he’s in town so producer manager

Maggie:
And he’s in a band.

Rich:
He’s in a band. Well, I was covering all this stuff. He does a lot. All right, so probably he’s just home on a little spring break right now from college, but in the future maybe this summer early summer, we’ll have him on as soon as we can and we’ll have a third mic going for him.

Maggie:
Yeah.

Rich:
So thanks for being here TJ. All right last week. So

Maggie:
If our audio sucks you can blame

Rich:
Teacher. But yeah,

Maggie:
That’s true. Yeah. Okay, TJ. You’ve done a great job. Thank you for adjusting our levels and our pop filters and making sure that rich and I sound amazing on the Pod

Rich:
Shout out. All right last week.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
What do we talk about?

Maggie:
You tell me.

Rich:
Okay, we talked about who did a little follow-up from the week before where we had talked about like our resumes. If you will kind of

Maggie:
Past life

Rich:
Past work experience and how we got to where we are in real estate and in coffee and coffee business ownership and then we did a little follow up with that asking some more questions and we left off saying that we were going to chat a little bit about the Enneagram

Maggie:
Good old Enneagram.

Rich:
Not that I know that much about it, but it is. It took the World by storm. Yeah, I would argue right? I mean it’s been around for a long time. But I would argue that it really became hot. Coat in during college

Maggie:
During covid like something to do because 2019.

Rich:
Yeah, so I mean that’s when I took it because my wife Christine and I were living with a friend at the time and that friend was super into the Enneagram. So, you know, she was always talking about she had books and stuff. And so I just I would just took it and turns out I am According to that test that I took a nine. Wing one if that means anything to anyone listening, how about you?

Maggie:
So what it’s what’s my Enneagram number or? Okay, so my Enneagram is a number six with a wing seven and I like to describe myself as 51% Enneagram six 49% Enneagram seven.

Rich:
Wow It doesn’t work that way.

Maggie:
I don’t know but like most people like you you can only be one number according to the Enneagram, but I identified very strongly with a lot of the seven parts of my wing and It just comes out in different ways. And but I think the predominant part of my core motivations are from the six.

Rich:
Okay fair enough. I don’t even know that much about the one to consider like what the wing one means for me, but I do remember

Maggie:
This is what the funny part is about the Enneagram, right? Is that like I’m really into it and you’re not.

Rich:
Yeah well and isn’t that characteristic of your type?

Maggie:
Yes.

Rich:
Yeah, I mean All right. So here’s the deal look whether you care about the Enneagram or not. All right, not you but like anyone listening yes, whether you care about the anagram or not. This isn’t something we’re focusing on. Like this episode is just the talk about it and then hopefully later

Maggie:
Hopefully it helps our audience get to know us a little bit better. Yeah, they know the Enneagram. Yeah.

Rich:
So this isn’t like something we’re into I have a little quote that I’m gonna share actually in in a few related to this whole personality type business. Now look this is not to say that I am a hater or like not that I mean, I’m not into it. That’s the thing. I think people like get into it and I’m not like into it. I don’t mind. I don’t know how to you are because we don’t talk about it that much

Maggie:
Right?

Rich:
But it is interesting to think about and the thing about personality types is like, I don’t know. You know, I honestly hope that people are really into it that they like write in and be like no dude. You got it. So wrong and they’re like,

Maggie:
Yeah

Rich:
Have a lot to say about it because it’d be interesting to hear other people’s perspectives on it why they’re so into it, but what I find is like It’s it’s helpful to have descriptive words around things that you know, or feel to be true about yourself and then someone puts that into words and you’re like, okay that that’s helpful for me to have it’s like a tool. I can better understand maybe myself and And then where other people are coming from and so it can be it can be helpful in a lot of ways. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t like put that much stock in it, you know.

Maggie:
Well, I what I like about it as opposed to like a disc personality or like Myers-Briggs. Is that neither of those personality types? Go to their focused on behaviors, whereas Enneagram focuses on a person’s core motivation.

Rich:
Okay. So

Maggie:
Two people could act the same way and essentially have the same. like letter of the disk personality, but the reasons why they are the way they are are different because of their core motivation and so the Enneagram first of all, if you’re not familiar with it, this isn’t we’re not going to do like a huge big synopsis.

Rich:
We’re not exactly what you should know. Yeah

Maggie:
Learn about it what you can like there’s tons of like Instagram accounts and books about it, but there’s basically nine different numbers on the Enneagram and each number has a wing and the wing is to the left or the right of the number. So

Rich:
Right so I’m a nine there are nine types. So I’m a nine either Wing eight or one in my case, you know Wing one.

Maggie:
And since I’m a number six my wing would either be five or a seven and as I said before I am a seven wing. So

Rich:
Taking us to school on the Enneagram. Yeah, I

Maggie:
Mean I got really into it because my friend my friend Laura was really into it and I at first Was just not interested because it was confusing for me. The numbers system was really confusing for me, and it wasn’t until I listened to the road back to you by Ian Morgan Crone and learned more about the different personality types and I started to. I don’t really know why I think I was going through an identity crisis during covid like a lot of people were and I just wanted to know like more about myself and once I started learning about myself, it was also really cool because I started to learn more about the people who are close to me in my life and like what they’re what they were like when they were describing other numbers like oh that sounds like so and so that sounds like so and so Yeah. and I find that it has been super helpful with my business because if I can learn about how I react to. people in in times of stress or in times of like Being super healthy. I just know I can react specific ways, or see how My behavior changes according to like how I’m doing mentally,

Rich:
Yeah. yeah, it’s A lot of relevance. I mean I guess in a sense. It’s like it is what you make it, you know, you can choose to let it just be out there as a thing and not get into it like me or you can embrace it and and in your case, really put it to use that’s cool. I mean when I heard my when I read my results, I was like

Maggie:
So you took the test. You took it you online probably through the Enneagram Institute. I’m assuming I

Rich:
Don’t know I don’t this is it was 2020 probably I don’t remember. I do remember here’s the thing with me about tests like these personality tests. I’m like and maybe this is like the type 9 of me, but I’m so A specific I’d take so long to take a personality type test because I’m like, all right. I don’t want to I want to give the most accurate honest answer like, you know at the same time as my own personal buyers about myself. So I’m trying to be fair answering these questions and I’m like, all right. Well, I’m someone you know or and just try to get that right and so I really try to. Get that get that solid and it came back with a nine. I read it. I was like, all right this definitely resonates. you know, like really really heavy-duty and then I have learned and I learned since then like some other nines some other people in my life who also were were supposed to be nines and I was like, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,

Maggie:
So so we should also maybe specify that the type 9 is is called what The Peacemaker

Rich:
I think go by and many names.

Maggie:
I think that nine is here,

Rich:
Right? Yeah. It’s like definitely the gist of it is and it’s even been a while since I looked at it. I tried to find I didn’t well I didn’t research well for this this episode, but like I said, it’s your thing. What I remember is like Yeah Peacemaker. I think myself someone who like you want to you don’t want to take sides necessarily you like to understand it kind of everyone’s point of view. There’s like many ways to look at different things and you have opinions but you don’t always like to share them because you don’t want to like ruffle feathers and you know you the and the weaknesses that I’d identified to about someone those those resonating with me like, you know, you maybe could be a leader and people would respect your leadership, but you’re a little too timid to stand up for it sometimes so it’s yeah stuff like that peacemakers, like maybe people pleaser is a better. Is like a title I might put on it where you just you want. You want everyone to feel? good and and you want everyone’s Ideas to be like recognized. Yeah and and considered.

Maggie:
Yeah, so for for me. I think the number six in the road back to you is called the loyalist. but it’s also been called like like Enneagram number six there like deadly sin is I think fear or like mistrust And I think that would definitely describe me. I’m a very skeptical person especially of authority and I tend to go against Authority in many ways and are you no and and so like I am always trying to I ask a million questions about everything but it’s not because I’m questioning something. It’s because I like to know what to expect in a situation so. As long as I can and I think that the Deep, you know, if you really want to get deep I think it’s about control like I want to be able to control what the situation what’s going to happen in a situation if and away for me to feel like I’m in control is to be able to know what all the possible outcomes are. So it’s not necessarily that I’m trying to manipulate a situation or like make a specific ending to something. It’s just I just want to know what like even literally right when we’re about to hit record. I asked you I’m like, okay. So what are our options? Like, I just need to know. I just need to have all the information so I can make an informed decision.

Rich:
Yeah, well fair enough. when we first talked about Talking about the Enneagram. We were joking. We were laughing because It was very six of you to to well you called me out. When I first told you. I was a nine you were like BS dude and you tried to tell me I was a four and you like sent me something. Yeah, and because this is

Maggie:
So

Rich:
One you were like, I’m skeptical that you’re not but also you were coming from a place of like, well, actually, I think the Enneagram Works in this other way. Where you talked about corporate? I mean you talked about a little while the core motivations but like the understanding you had gotten of the Enneagram. was like you should you should go after your number because you didn’t take a test.

Maggie:
I didn’t take a test you I just I just studied like the different types and I asked people in my life who knew me really well wouldn’t like sugarcoat it and because a lot oftentimes people are attracted to like the best parts of a number and they want to be that number but you have to actually it’s really the the worst parts of a number that you like don’t want to be are usually not always but oftentimes can be like that’s who that’s who like you are

Rich:
God at your worst. So like yeah when I read the four I was like hi, I guess I am not into all this stuff. So maybe before when you flip it that way. Yeah, I may sense, but it was It was funny and I was like, I’m not sure that that’s how it goes. And and then we we said well, that’s that’s what a six would say.

Maggie:
Yeah. I just thought it would be interesting to talk about it a little bit on our podcast because it would help our audience listening if they know the Nea Graham like a little bit more about who we are and and what we’re like and get to know us just a little bit better and as they’re listening throughout our episodes just get to know us a little bit better. Yeah.

Rich:
That’s totally fair. And and if I can. I mean, I’m not ever gonna be able to find that same quiz, but I’ll I’ll find again another we’re gonna talk a ton about it, but maybe just Next time we talk I can just start with like here are the key characteristics of yeah of a number nine and here’s here’s what I think about that. I

Maggie:
Think most people have are familiar or if they’ve heard of the Enneagram. Yeah,

Rich:
Probably probably more than me.

Maggie:
Yeah.

Rich:
So in other words I can’t right now. I really can’t say that like, oh it’s helped me in business in this way or it’s helped me on my journey in this way other than to say like It affirms. I mean I kind of like the sort of person I am in the sense that take I mean take our like cultural. Take the political. What’s the what’s the word just like? Yeah, the yeah take the atmosphere of our culture the climb. Okay. I’m not really a political person. In the sense that I’ve take sides or and I I

Maggie:
Definitely take sides. Yeah, definitely have opinions

Rich:
And that’s and there’s nothing I don’t have opinions, but I’m not so strongly because I see both sides right? And so when I hear that when I read that I’m a nine and then I consider the way that I relate to information as it comes to me or the way that I relate to arguments that people make and arguments that just mean like the logic people have behind their their things I don’t take I just I have an easy time not taking things at face value because I I know that people are often. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes of what someone is thinking or feeling or doing and I know that from experience. We all know that from experience if we stop to think about it, but I’m the kind of person where I like to stop and think about it before I draw a conclusions and so That is the kind of like way that I deal with people in other words. So if I’m at work being a boss being a leader, whatever I’ve always been the kind of person to try to figure out. Okay, first of all, where how did what happened? But like why did it happen? How did it happen? Where did the process go wrong and not just immediately react and blame someone as much as be like, okay. They did they know better. Did they know what was expected? And I start with questions. versus assumptions and

Maggie:
Interesting

Rich:
That I think that sort of way of relating to things in my life is sounds like a night to me. Maybe it sounds like other types, and I’m sure there’s a crossover but Yeah, and that way nine like just affirmed the kind of person. I feel like I like to be and and have been. maybe all along and I think that’s the key thing when it comes to personality types is like it’s not just it’s not it’s

Maggie:
Not to put somebody in a box.

Rich:
Yeah. Yeah, and it’s not to say you have to be this way. It’s to say like here’s behind the scenes of who you already are a little bit it just and that’s why I said before it gives you language to describe maybe how you already are and that’s what I find helpful about these things.

Maggie:
Right and

Rich:
Then, you know, I guess the more, you know about your motivations the more you can play your strengths or adapt for your weaknesses and So it’s it’s useful for sure. I haven’t gotten as much out of knowing that I’m a nine as as I could have. Yeah,

Maggie:
That’s fair. Yeah, I mean take it’s more. I think it’s a good tool. I I’m I love it because I feel like it helps explain. Why people are the way they are?

Rich:
Yeah, which and that’s kind of what I’m saying too is it would be more helpful to me if I knew more about the types because then if I know you’re six, it’s like okay well. not that this okay. I’m pausing because that gives that gets into the criticism of things like this. It’s like oh if you’re six, then you’re just like have a license to act a certain way. And that’s kind of not the point. It’s not that these

Maggie:
Right

Rich:
These things are like a license to act a certain way, especially in the negative cause, you know, negative aspects of your clinical personality types.

Maggie:
So

Rich:
That’s something to watch out for but it can and this is where I would value it a tool like this it can help you understand. Where someone’s coming from a little bit more and and create empathy help you create empathy for for where someone’s coming from and that’s always a key to

Maggie:
Know who I have the least empathy for other Sexes. Isn’t that crazy?

Rich:
I mean I

Maggie:
Had a client once who was I instantly like I was like, oh my God, we are the same any like I just like when we talk about how it helps in business you just it was my I just knew and I was like, oh this is gonna be tough because she questioned freaking everything and it was it was just like there was nothing like every single solution that I had an answer for was a what if yeah, I’m like, Oh this must like what it’s like dealing with me, you know what I mean?

Rich:
Yeah.

Maggie:
I mean I’m not I mean obviously like I do I don’t hate her but it was challenging for me because it was like working with somebody who had a lot of similarities to myself and I just I just remember thinking like oh like I wonder if this is what I am like or what I was like when I bought my house or when I whatever with stuff

Rich:
Right? Yeah, that’s interesting. It’s good to see that mirror sometimes. Yeah. Um, yeah, that’s funny and then it’s like how and then the challenge is. Okay. How can I convince this person that like I see it from your side, you know, and that’s that’s fun.

Maggie:
Yeah.

Rich:
Well, all right. Yeah, go ahead. No,

Maggie:
That’s gonna say I think generally I’m an empathetic person. I think I have a lot of empathy for people.

Rich:
Yeah.

Maggie:
And I I just lose patience when I think the other the other side of it and I we can we can be done talking about the end.

Rich:
No, it’s fine. I just have whenever the time is right. I have

Maggie:
A quote but also for the fears one thing that also factors into my personality is I have ADHD and so for the longest time. I I wasn’t sure if I if that played into if I was like, I’m in Enneagram six with ADHD or my ADHD is somehow like caused me to go on this path to be this number. So it just took me a long time to figure out that out but Yeah.

Rich:
Yeah got it. There’s a lot of different angles from which to examine things like personality types or the Enneagram or whatever. Yeah as it can be so polarizing too. It’s interesting.

Maggie:
What what’s your quote?

Rich:
Okay. Well anyway, it’s not that controversial. Well, maybe this I don’t know when I read this so I follow a guy on Instagram called Adam Grant. I called Adam Grant one of my English. named Adam Grant and he I mean, he’s got like basically two million followers on Instagram. So but all he’d post is just he’s an organizational psychologist and apparently he’s an author of a book. I haven’t read and he has a podcast that I haven’t listened to but he’s got a sickest geography and he

Maggie:
His Instagram is just quotes.

Rich:
Yeah, which I love shout out to to marketers everywhere. This is how I would run an Instagram if I if I was gonna do it. so we had I mean when we were first planning the Pod and we thought the Enneagram might be something we could we could chat about what that was months and months ago and then I found this guy in the meantime, and then I saw this post in the meantime and just sort of just resonated with it, but it’s not about the Enneagram.

Maggie:
Okay,

Rich:
Specifically. but I laughed a little bit because because he does he does joke about it in the caption of this post. Okay, here’s what he says. This is like a tweet. He did that. He then posted on Instagram, okay. No big deal, but we’ll just Riff on it personality types are a myth. each tray exists on a Continuum shaped like a bell curve the mbti Myers breaks type indicator is outdated. You’re more likely to be an ambivert than an introvert or extrovert and you don’t have to choose between being a thinker or a feeler. That’s the quote from Adam Grant and I can read it again in a sec. But that’s the synops. That’s like the main thesis of this what he calls his mbti breakup letter that he actually posted on a newsletter and so it’s like a whole thing and the start of that is on the next. the next slide in the carousel on the on Instagram, but Yeah, thoughts on that personality types. He just calls it out. That’s I guess where I’m going from. He’s just call it up personality types are a myth each trade exist on a Continuum shaped like a bell curve. I thought that idea of of Continuum. Was interesting, you know, and that’s so okay. I won’t say anything.

Maggie:
I’m thinking

Rich:
Our myth the last thing he says in this caption. He says read my fool break up letter about his newsletter in his newsletter. It includes resources on the science of personality and better assessments that you can take for free. That’d be interesting and then he goes on and says and don’t get me started on the Enneagram. That’s how it concludes that post

Maggie:
Don’t get them start on the Ingram. Okay

Rich:
Personality types are myth each. Tray exist on a Continuum shaped like a bell curve. The mbti is outdated. You don’t have to choose.

Maggie:
So if personality traits don’t exist then. What makes the person who they are?

Rich:
Oh boy. Calling it. What makes a person who they are? Well, I mean that so I said before that the whole point of a personality type

Maggie:
You should have started with that rich.

Rich:
Well, we had a lot to say the point of a personality type to me is to unveil What is already true who what you already are? I stop myself from saying who you already are because I find that these these were talking about traits characteristics of of a person and that Where does it separate what you are versus who you are? That’s a whole other that’s a whole other question. But

Maggie:
What you are houses who you are. Yeah,

Rich:
When I think about personality I’m thinking about. What? Is true what tends to be true of me? What is my what are my Tendencies? What are my characteristics? Yeah, that’s why I say what

Maggie:
If I said am I my friend Rich? He’s really easy going.

Rich:
Yeah.

Maggie:
I mean sick. Would that be a personality trait?

Rich:
Yeah, it could be or rooted in a personalized right? Yeah, I’m no expert on this stuff. That’s why I followed the Adam grants of the world.

Maggie:
Yeah. I mean, I think personality the thing about Myers-Briggs and Enneagram and

Rich:
Less familiar with the other types. I did strengths finder once upon a time that was a long time ago. And I resonated with my results there too. But point is like I don’t know that much about all this

Maggie:
Brandon’s really into disk personality and he took like a whole big assessment d-i-s-c. and I mean and there’s different. levels of people’s intensity of each of those letters or something. I don’t I’m not really as familiar with it. Yeah. But I think that’s

Rich:
Okay. I

Maggie:
Think it’s just a way personality tests are just a way for us to figure out like I mean at the end of the day, we all want to know who we are at our core.

Rich:
Yeah,

Maggie:
I think that’s just personality tests are created or invented. So that we can figure out a little bit more about ourselves. I mean, I know that when I the reason I’m so passionate about the Enneagram is because I feel like it was one of the first times in my life where I’ve I like felt understood

Rich:
Gotcha

Maggie:
And I felt like oh, this is why like helped me explain. things that like went on in my brain that I just couldn’t explain to people

Rich:
Got it

Maggie:
And I mean I can just distinctly remember. When I was in high school, like I was always the kid raising my hand asking questions. asking for clarification when it seems like everybody around me understood the assignment and I was always asking these abstract abstract questions that like what about this option? What about that option? And I I just feel like looking back like once I understood like oh it’s because of like my core. I was trying to understand like figure out what the answers were and so I could know what to expect. And that’s kind of how I am as an adult.

Rich:
Yeah,

Maggie:
And sometimes I when I ask a question, I have to preface it by saying like I’m not trying to disagree with you. But what about blah blah blah because I just like to know. Up my options. Yeah, I like to have options.

Rich:
Yeah, that’s fair and that’s you know, that’s getting into like into who

Maggie:
I’m into who you are ever ever in my whole life been somebody who has just accepted an answer.

Rich:
So you so what you’re saying is that you have especially seen found solace in. in the resonance between the personality type that you are being you identify with and and who you sense yourself to be. It’s been helpful to you

Maggie:
For sure

Rich:
Is what I’m hearing for sure and and brought relief and and then just continued growth as a result showing those data points about you.

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
Having them affirmed. I love that for you. I have no issues with that and I I’m not posed

Maggie:
And I’m not trying to push it on other people saying that it’s been really helpful for me as At young adult.

Rich:
Yeah. which is awesome and though I haven’t like gotten that much value out of out of it in the same way. Nothing against it personally. Yeah, so

Maggie:
You can go either way

Rich:
I could yeah, probably and I’ll probably go

Maggie:
That was a joke. So you’re

Rich:
Not you got me. You got me. I’ll be interested to see what Adam Grant has on. He said there’s There’s a free variable like free other assessments that he’s got on there that maybe would play into that continuation Continuum sort of thing more than like these boxy ones. And I think that’s the one thing that is just like the caution is, you know, don’t get don’t feel like Oh, I’m a six and so I have to not saying you do but I have to act like a six or I’m a nine so I have to act like a nine. It’s I think the point is like take be caution to that. Like this is a helpful tool to understand where you’re coming from and to help you understand where other people are coming from if you know that about them, but at the same time, it’s like don’t be surprised when you know, I mean, you said you I don’t know if you said it on the mic or said before but you basically consider yourself half and half of six and seven is that

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
511 and 40 another so, you know, don’t be surprised with someone’s like acting like I think that’s the creative three and they’re you know, something else

Maggie:
Like the the number seven is typed the Enthusiast and I think that’s something I I identify with quite a bit because enthusiasts are somebody who are very quickly. Thinking about they can’t live in the moment because they’re always thinking about like things in the future.

Rich:
I know seven and

Maggie:
TJ is pointing to himself TJ. You’re a seven.

Rich:
No another seven.

Maggie:
Yeah, so it’s really tougher sevens to live in the moment and to follow through and complete tasks because they’re always thinking about like the next best thing and so

Rich:
Remember Wing seven

Maggie:
But like I have found in in my life that A way to help with that is accountability because when I am working on something and I want to get something done that I think is important. I will reach out to somebody that I trust and I’ll be like hey like I am looking for like someone who can help me with XYZ. Would you be on board and That is has been huge for

Rich:
Yeah, that’s dope. I think that’s a great point because another helpful thing about tools like these is it can it can tell you? What watch out for so it’s like here’s your strengths. But also here’s the weaknesses that come with quote unquote weaknesses. Like here’s how this can be harmful in your life or a limiting. And so what you can do if you are into these things because you’re pursuing like personal growth and development is is figure out okay, how do I cope with the limitations that tend to come with this personality type? And obviously that’s that kind of thing is a great idea and You know, that’s a little bit of what I took away too. I remember first interacting with that. that description of my personality and saying yeah, I do have some of these I do identify with some of these weaknesses and I think some of them have just stuck in the back of my mind, you know, I’ve tried to adjust for them over time. in my like growth as a leader at the business and decision making of things so I

Maggie:
Have a whole like notebook in my remarkable. with notes on the road back to you because I was like listening to it again, and I was like trying to just kind of understand where people are and I actually type nine. I saw I wrote out all the types was I was when I listened to books I write because it helps me retain the information, right? type 9 The Peacemaker sweethearts of the Enneagram

Rich:
You heard here first folks

Maggie:
Their deadly sin is sloth. They’re motivated by a need to be settled and in harmony with the world. They avoid conflict at all costs the path of least resistance. The only type 9 sorry, the only type the nine is not like is the nine itself. Nines fall asleep to their anger and it takes energy to avoid their anger.

Rich:
That’s what I have about that. I did. Fall asleep to their anger. That’s so poetic. I love that about

Maggie:
Eight nines and ones are of the gut Triad two’s threes and fours are the feeling or the heart Triad five six and sevens are the head and I’m very much all

Rich:
In my head thing. Yes. Yeah now you’re diving deep and now it’s like I could get it I could get into that. Yeah,

Maggie:
But

Rich:
I’m not going to I got to say it harmony with with the world.

Maggie:
In fact, I must not I must not have like gotten to a type 6 because it’s like later on the book because I don’t have a notes for the sex but note but I know that number six is the loyalist and they’re like deadly sin is fear and their core motivation is like a need to feel safe and secure and they are they like the questioners and there are people who like they’re always prepared for something. So if you were to ask

Rich:
That sounds about right.

Maggie:
Oh, yeah, I’m always prepared like even when it comes to like Having an extra splitter for micro like our headphones. I’m always like I have a spare of everything. Yeah, because I’m like always like what if I need this what if I need that? And they are. They are either type sixes have two subtypes counter counterphobic and phobic and one type six is resists Authority and the skeptical of all authority figures and the other type six blindly follows Authority and just goes after like listens to conspiracies and goes after that way and is like because that’s their way of feeling safe. So like that’s the only type on the Enneagram that has like two subtypes of phobic and counterphobic

Rich:
Really?

Maggie:
Yeah,

Rich:
That’s interesting.

Maggie:
So Yeah,

Rich:
Well you really took me to school today on this? and I’ll have to I’ll have to look into that a little bit more.

Maggie:
Yeah, well. What do you what does our audience want to hear from us?

Rich:
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Maggie:
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Rich:
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Maggie:
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Rich:
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Maggie:
All right. Catch you later.

Rich:
Yeah.

Maggie:
You